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MissingNo.

Religion, sexuality, etc.
« on: March 04, 2008, 11:12:56 pm »
   Okay so, I was gonna make this topic yesterday while I was in the mood, but I couldn't.
Anyways, this, as the title says, is about respect and/or tolerance of people's religion, sexuality, etc.
I feel in this community we can speak, debate, and/or argue without "flaming." So, I made this topic to do just that.
I'd like to know what people hate/dislike/like about certain religions or sexual choices, but I don't want any flaming to happen.

I'm gonna start things off by telling you all that I'm an Atheist and I'm also a bisexual. Some of you might know of the first one, but I don't think anyone knows of the latter. If you'd like, start it off by saying your religion and/or sexuality.

I, personally, don't hate any religion or sexuality choice, just some people who have extreme pride to it. The people that tell me my religion is wrong and try to convert me are the ones I dislike.

Remember: Do not flame anyone if they say something you may not like, they're opinions of that person and they have a right to say it.

I'm gonna set mine up like this, feel free to do so as well.
Hates: "Extremists," you might call them.
Dislikes: None really
Likes: Teachings of certain religions like Christianity, Buddhism, etc.
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Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #1 on: March 04, 2008, 11:15:42 pm »
Ok then i can say.
I am christian and im hetero.
And I belive in what the bibel says and there it says you should not be homosexuall or bisexuall. So i think its wrong!! But i have to say that im not against the person, im just against there filosofi!
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Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #2 on: March 04, 2008, 11:19:38 pm »
Well i'm christian and Straight aswell.
anyway it must take some guts even to tell that you are bisexual as There are alot of anti-bisexuals.
i have nothing against them but i can't really understand them. That's probbably just because i ain't one.
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MissingNo.

Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #3 on: March 04, 2008, 11:25:03 pm »
Meh, I get a lot of crap at school. I just ignore it. They'll eventually leave me alone about it like they did my religion.

Kunoichi

Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #4 on: March 04, 2008, 11:39:34 pm »
I'm a Christian, and going to leave church soon. I've found out that there is only one god which can  do his job properly, God of death. I'm not a satanist or anything, I just don't believe in other gods. I'm also straight but I don't have anything against homosexual (For some people: Homosexual doesn't only mean male person who is attracted to another male. A female can also be a homosexual. I think that you haven't heard of any lesbosexuality) or bisexual people. One of my friends is a straight, he acts a bit girlish way but all those waving your little finger is just over reacting. They're still people like every straight person is. Changing your sex is also acceptable if the person has thought for it a bit longer than just a few weeks. If (s)he played with cars or dolls (Of course with the opposite sex and wanted to be like them) at the age of three then I accept it also.

Quick look for those:
My God: God of death.
Religion group: Christian, soon Atheist although.
Straight or homosexual: Straight.
Opinion about homosexuals and others: I don't care. They are just like us and we are just like them, except the sexual attraction is different.
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Spoon

Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #5 on: March 04, 2008, 11:47:33 pm »
I'm anti-religion. I'm not an atheist, since I think the Atheists who name it as their religion and use that to jump into arguments with people who do believe in some other religion are just as wrong as the rest. I believe Religion was something that was fine back when man could not explain the earth, the wind, fire, lightning, the stars.. Now we can, I think religion is outdated. I don't mind people believing in what they want to believe in, what I do mind is that whether people admit to it or not, the major religions we deal with take it upon themselves to condemn those who are not a part of it.

The way they are set up and implemented creates human beings who aren't given a chance to fully appreciate every point of view and make up their own mind. Children brought up into a religion are prone to becoming unstable individuals because they have had one set of ideals hammered into them. Throughout history religion is the sole biggest cause of war. People killing other people because they don't believe in the same god. Yet I'm willing to bet that most of the religions caught in major wars somewhere have a rule against violence and hatred. What happened to the love and forgiveness all these benevolent Gods seem to concern themselves with?

I can understand and agree that religion has helped many people live very good, helpful lives. However by the same token it has turned many people to do untold acts of 'evil', in the name of their religion. I don't think _not_ believing in a religion ever caused anyone to do that, while there are still plenty of people who lead good, helpful lives who don't hold a religion.

In the right context religion is a wonderful thing that gives people community, culture and an identity. However, in this current age where no one grows up completely shielded from the world, things get 'infected' and I think that is where the extremist movements have come from. People who believe in their religion so strongly that it drives them to do terrible things when they confuse religion with other aspects of the world today, and end up doing things no religion preaches. I'm not saying it's the religion's fault for letting those people become crazed and 'extremist', since the religions commonly accused of such (Islam mainly) are the first to say that the extremists are _not_ islamic, and Islam is offended to have it's reputation dirtied by such madmen. I am not blaming anyone or anything, just identifying the problem.

As for sexuality, I'm heterosexual but I have no opinions on the subject. I will say I can appreciate humour generated from the topic, much the same as racism, that's not to say I'm Racist. I don't find racist or sexist comments funny, but the whirlwind that can be created when humour scores jokes of such topics. I think that is a very English trait in humour, where the 'punchline' is irrelevant, the reaction is the funny part. ''(For some people: Homosexual doesn't only mean male person who is attracted to another male. A female can also be a homosexual. I think that you haven't heard of any lesbosexuality)'' This made me giggle ;)
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MissingNo.

Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #6 on: March 05, 2008, 12:00:04 am »
I agree with that. I do know a lot of Atheists who jump into arguments. I don't, I just talk to people about it.
On the sexuality part: Am I the only one who isn't straight in this forum? :P

Ruki

Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #7 on: March 05, 2008, 12:39:43 am »
I'm a monotheist, I believe in one God - myself. I like it how religion is good for those in high positions (power, money, power = money). I like it how religion is good for believers to have something like faith to help them in their every day life. I like some "exotic" religions for their mental/physical training, meditation, martial arts... I hate terrorists and extremists, child molesters, abuse of power, holy wars in the name of religion and Church as institution.

Straight. Homosexuality? I don't care about it as long as nobody is bothering me with it.
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Oxygen

Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #8 on: March 05, 2008, 07:46:26 am »
Let's all become Rukiites!

Well here it goes. I'm an atheist. Infact If I'm so far through being an atheist im nearly a satanist except I won't worship any of these personifications of emotions. Im also straight, rather meterosexual however...And let's get one thing straight...I HATE ALL RELIGIONS! There is a pit in the reaches of hell reserved for religion. I loathe religion with every fibre of my being and my cat's being. The reason I hate all religions so much is for a very personal matter that i'm not gonna talk about, but also because of the all the pain and suffering my family has been put through do to it. And all the pain of suffering off all the millions on the planet who live in fear due to extremists, and you may say "Christians don't harm anyone", but they have in the past, and they still do.

Now, let us look into the most sacred of books. The holy bible. The bible talks about a few of the follow points.
You must eat flesh and drink blood.
"Rip apart the pregnant women" is a line used in the bible.
It also refers to paedophilia, sadism and the sacrificing of animals.

Here's a good website with videos on the ILLusion of religion: http://whywontgodhealamputees.com/

I am very anti-religion so don't anyone dare flame me for this about how God loves me. Cause I sure as hell hate him.
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Hermod

Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #9 on: March 05, 2008, 10:09:57 am »
lol, really this is a internet forum yes, but ofcoruse we should be able to discuss this without flames, i guess it is kind of embarrising that people start flaming each other when you want to tell them important things :P Just don't worry, you have moderators in (V) :D.

First of all, you don't CHOOSE your sexuality, but it looks like you are somehow chosing to be bi-sexuall. Really Vidar, the way you talk, is very high, you look upon things, i really don't think you are bi-sexuall, you just want a discussion, and be different.

I've been joking about beeing "Ga-y" pretty long time, it's just a trend, but still i hate when i just follow the river and do what other does.
I think we should isolate all people with different sex, in a little town, 3-4 months per year, so they don't have to feel so bloody special, and can talk with people who feels the same.
But really, we/straights/lesbians/ find a person we really like, the sex shoulden't even matter, that's real love.


About the religion thing, I am a jew, in sweden yes. My friends have never met a Jew before, so ofcourse they joke about it. I don't care a shit, but it is way more disturbing when the rumours come. The religion is the spirital life, it shows what you want after death, it shows the person you are, and want to be, or at least it should, it shoulden't be confused with the normal world, and that's what Jews are doing very much at the moment. They stop eating lovely animals, they wear VERY differents cloths, and in my eyes, they are idiots, yes.
There is no bad and good people, (behaviourism) If god would exist, he would NEVER judge people, he would judge what he gave them.

Religious people can also never see a mirror, it becomes invicible. That's why it is hard to explain why there are no good people and bad.

I do believe in brain balance, that balances your life, it makes it fun to live whatever what, children in africa for example, they are happy like hell the days they live, they become happy for anything, specially when the world tries to help them. I don't want to have a bad life (majority speaks, yes) but still, i don't fear any kind of religion, sex, or life. Everyone is OK.

Religion is one of the best inventions ever, because death is the humans worst enemy, it's one of the thigns we don't know. In the world of science we almost know everything, and in psychology (as i want to be when i grow up)
We know almost everything, and we will get to know more, what i mean is, that i think religion will grow bigger and bigger, and yes, some day, it may hurt the world very much, by maybe destroying all the people in the world. Fortunatly, it is not even close now. (Even tho indians predict armageddon (2015, OMG)

PS: i am not religios, and i am hetero
PS2: watch out from the world filter

@Oxygen, i agree with you about the bible, it says many things, and people shoulden't listen to it, they should listen to the religion. What about Crosstrains, when christians go arounds and kills everyone because they are not willing to change religion. In some of the golden rules, the bible says "respect other religions" well i guess they didn't come to that part in church yet.
And what about when jesus says like (don't have sex with other wifes) or something. Isn't that because the wife didn't satisfy the husband, and don't deserve loyality. It's a pussle to keep the man loyal. Like clan rules.
- be loyal. You have to make them loyal. I can go on like this with every single rule of jesus. They aren't deep. They are just what people thinks is bad. That shows the bible isn't made by some smart guy. Just some normal guy who knows how to speak to people.

@Ruki, you are seeing it wrong, one of the bad things with homosexuality, is to be bothered. Like when people say something like, "i would never want to drive my dick in some mans ass".
Well DAA, you have problems then, because we enjoy it.

@Spoon, i don't think religion will ever be outdated, because their is one question left, and it is strong enough to have a bible just for it. it's death, the humans worst enemy, and we will never get rid of the question, and we will never get rid of death. But you are right.
We need a new religions, i want a psychologic bible, kidn of hard to invent, but lol, psychology can't prove how the soul works yet.

@Kuno, the god of death will never get his skills drained or die, just when we live, we can defeat him, by ignoring him. And, start watching bleach, seriously.

UBEREDIT: i was just about to make a thread like this, at least this month, now i can camp here.
UBEREDIT2: Benn0, i am waiting....





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Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #10 on: March 05, 2008, 12:59:12 pm »
Becky Fisher: "They have child soldiers, why shouldn't we have?"

Who was Jesus?
- A drop of water in the ocean who gained power. And was crucified because his power was feared, "Cut of the head of the snake and the body will stop moving". And was crucified because he happened to be in the right place at the right time. The same can be said about every religion's prophets.

Isn't it wonderful how you can convince someone to die on a battlefield believing that they are dying for god.
Isn't it wonderful how you can run other peoples lives by saying that they are violating God's laws.
Isn't it wonderful how you can gain power by claiming that you are the messenger of God.

It's understandable that people bought the crap a millennium ago, but I have no idea how a rational human being can come to the conclusion that a living being created everything. Religion is indeed outdated with their ancient ethics and rules, E.g. the females role.

I don't know how many times I heard how people have found shelter in religions during a crisis. Who wouldn't fear for their lives! it's written in every living things DNA. Thus one is not meant to accept ones death just like that.

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And, start watching bleach, seriously.
Watch Neon Genesis Evangelion

There's one person in my school who is homosexual. I despise him, not for his sexuality but for his personality. Some people claims that homosexuals/bisexuals are wierd and behave in a different way than the so called normal mass. I think not! There are also people who claims that you don't choose your sexuality. It may be true on the simplest level, but I doubt that Homer Simpson would accept himself being not-straight.

Atleast Christianity is against homo/bisexuals, thus making them outcasts. How on earth could people with a different sexuality even exist in Christian nations if everyone would be diehard Jesus fans. The era of religions is certainly over.

Religion should never ever be mixed with politics!

Edit: fixed some typos.
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Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2008, 01:37:07 pm »
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First of all, you don't CHOOSE your sexuality, but it looks like you are somehow chosing to be bi-sexuall. Really Vidar, the way you talk, is very high, you look upon things, i really don't think you are bi-sexuall, you just want a discussion, and be different.

I find it interesting you say that. It's more for Vidar to respond to, though i will say a few things on it. I have a friend at uni, from Greece. He's 'orthodox christian' though he's a very very weak christian. He says he believes in God but he doesn't live his life by any values set by the religion. I think it's just that nearly everyone in Greece is that orthodox christian and it's not strictly held there. He does have a few ways of thinking that get him into a lot of trouble at a place such as university. Most particularly it's his way of believing he has to tell everyone his opinion on anything.

An offtopic example, is we were sitting in a pub - me, Pete (the greek guy), 3 other friends and one of their girlfriends. This girlfriend is with us nearly every weekend, she's as much a mate as the others. She's quite a big girl, and this particular instance she was talking about some girl at her uni, describing her as really fat and stuff. I and my mates kindof looked at each other with raised eyebrows, but we didn't say anything. Pete, however, started laughing uncontrollably. When she stopped her story and looked at him, he said ''You serious? You're calling someone else fat?''. _DANGER_, yeah. It ended in him going ''Yeah but seriously, to me, you're fat.'' - que her rushing out of the pub in tears. You know, you just don't say that. Everyone can see she isn't skinny, but you don't tell girls they're fat, period. That's him - thinks he has to say his opinion, on any subject. This is where it gets back on topic.

We were at a party which was famous for being the most popular event with with GLB (Ga_y-Lesbian-Bisexual) society at uni. We got chatting to a couple of guys and girls from that society, and the subject of their sexuality came up. Pete eventually just had to drop in with his opinion that being homosexual or bisexual was a lifestyle choice. What happened next was, in my opinion, fantastic. One of the guys grabbed Pete, stuck his tongue down his throat, and proceeded to full on kiss him for about 6 seconds. That's a long time when you think about it. Pete was stunned, and afterward the guy said 'see mate, that's my 'lifestyle choice' - I have a _massive_ erection now, how about you?'. The guy has become a really great friend, to me and some others, at least. Pete goes quiet whenever he's around..

A psychological test was done on a selection of blokes, examining homophobia. They were given a questionairre on their views of homosexuality. Then they were each stripped naked and had 'sensors' attached to their penises. They were shown homosexual (Male) porn, it turned out that on average the ones who were most homophobic had the largest reaction to the porn.

As I said earlier, I don't have opinions on sexuality. I cannot do what I usually do, and make a point based on those last two paragraphs. So they are there, read them and make use of them as you wish. Maybe think it through a bit more - just because you 'say' you're straight, doesn't mean everyone else who is straight, just says it for social difference.

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@Spoon, i don't think religion will ever be outdated, because their is one question left, and it is strong enough to have a bible just for it. it's death, the humans worst enemy, and we will never get rid of the question, and we will never get rid of death. But you are right.
We need a new religions, i want a psychologic bible, kidn of hard to invent, but lol, psychology can't prove how the soul works yet.

This is the thing. Fundamental point, nearly all religions offer something that they have no right to give - they offer some form of salvation after death. It is true that most humans think of death as the worst possible event. However the simple fact is, death is as much as part of life as living it. It is one of the very few inevitable things that we all have in common - we will all die, physically. I argue that some people who achieve the closest thing to 'living forever' are those who leave their mark on the world in such a way that they'll never be forgotten.

Death is not humanity's worst enemy. Besides, as I mentioned earlier - the biggest bringer of death, war, is caused more by religion than anything else, throughout history. Religion might falsely offer to know something we don't, with regard to death, but it also happens to be one of the biggest causes of death.
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Hermod

Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #12 on: March 05, 2008, 02:10:39 pm »
Really, you have no reason to be quiet, and no matter how much you try, you can't go offtopic, not when this is the subject ;D Your storys are also very intersting, we can make a spoon's storys thread.

About this guy, it's pretty amazing with special personalitys, especially when you analyse it.
I am sure that friend of your has a pretty weird dad, with a patience close to 0. And in his family, the true is very respected, and from he was born, his parents has never punished him, when he have said the true. That's why he didn't understand the concequenses (wrong spell) as i say: concequenses gives concequenses (WRONG SPELL)
Am i pretty good, ain't I. I wish my english was better.

I am also amazed about that homosexuall guy. He must be a very good friend. For example he is pretty brave, and know who he is, and he know how to convince people. I would sure love to meet him, even if he won't be as i think.

And yeah, religion brings violence, (wrong spell)

it's also intersting that you think death isn't humans worst enemy. That's also a way to look at it, as we really can't say a totally uknown is our worst enemy. Who knows maybe we are lucky, death could be terrible.

Benn0, you didn't quote my post, phew, i am getting better at avoiding arrogant opinions.
You should really learn to tell the difference beetween crap and anime.

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Quaqa

Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #13 on: March 05, 2008, 02:49:28 pm »
damn so much long posts...

well I am Christian but I am not believing in the bible or that Jesus was some dude with uberpowers. I believe that Jesus really walked on earth but he was just some random dude who was good in convincing ppl too think as he did.  I see some good stuff in the bible and in all other religions. But I aslo see some stuff thats just weard and I cant stand up to those things. So I think that you should use all the religions as help to live a better life, and chose the things from all the religions that you like and think is right.

I am also hetero but I have a lot of friends which is bisexual so I dont have anything agenst it. I also believe that you dont fall in love with a gender, you fall in love with a person, and in some cases it happens to be someone from the same sex.

(hope my english was readable)

Hermod

Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #14 on: March 05, 2008, 03:19:15 pm »
damn so much long posts...

well I am Christian but I am not believing in the bible or that 1:Jesus was some dude with uberpowers. I believe that Jesus really walked on earth but he was just some random dude who was good in convincing ppl too think as he did.  I see some good stuff in the bible and in all other religions. But I aslo see some stuff thats just weard and I cant stand up to those things. 2:So I think that you should use all the religions as help to live a better life, and 3:chose the things from all the religions that you like and think is right.

4:I am also hetero but I have a lot of friends which is bisexual so I dont have anything agenst it. 5:I also believe that you dont fall in love with a gender, you fall in love with a person, and in some cases it happens to be someone from the same sex.

(6:hope my english was readable)
I'll camp in this thread, lol, i like it.
1: The bible has clearly chattered too much about Jesus, so much so you don't want to be a part of it anymore.
2: Exactly, but you have to choose one. I think it should be over 1000 religions. (We can make it)
3: Same as point 2.
4: Really, how many of them are REALLY bisexuall, you can sure like one male, but finding all young men attractive is a different thing. (No offense) (with exceptions ofc)
5: that's pretty rare, kind of intersting, but when you are young, don't you fall in love with the body and face, and automaticly ignores the personality. (Im serious)
6: your english is fine really, it's pretty easy to read wrong spell when your grams is very good.
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Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #15 on: March 05, 2008, 03:51:05 pm »
damn so much long posts...

well I am Christian but I am not believing in the bible or that 1:Jesus was some dude with uberpowers. I believe that Jesus really walked on earth but he was just some random dude who was good in convincing ppl too think as he did.  I see some good stuff in the bible and in all other religions. But I aslo see some stuff thats just weard and I cant stand up to those things. 2:So I think that you should use all the religions as help to live a better life, and 3:chose the things from all the religions that you like and think is right.

4:I am also hetero but I have a lot of friends which is bisexual so I dont have anything agenst it. 5:I also believe that you dont fall in love with a gender, you fall in love with a person, and in some cases it happens to be someone from the same sex.

(6:hope my english was readable)
I'll camp in this thread, lol, i like it.
1: The bible has clearly chattered too much about Jesus, so much so you don't want to be a part of it anymore.
2: Exactly, but you have to choose one. I think it should be over 1000 religions. (We can make it)
3: Same as point 2.
4: Really, how many of them are REALLY bisexuall, you can sure like one male, but finding all young men attractive is a different thing. (No offense) (with exceptions ofc)
5: that's pretty rare, kind of intersting, but when you are young, don't you fall in love with the body and face, and automaticly ignores the personality. (Im serious)
6: your english is fine really, it's pretty easy to read wrong spell when your grams is very good.


2: well who says you can only have one religion...
(and lol on 1000 religions XD)
3: yea...
4: to be exactly I know 4 bisexual and I REALLY think that all of them are it for real
5: well this might be because I have experience of it my self. It was for like one year ago that I started to chat with a girl that I had meat on a scout camp for two years ago (but only spoken to her ones). and after some time chating with her I started to like her more and more... and this was before I meat her or even sow pic of herbut it all ended the summer 07 thats why I dont think you fall in love with a body but rather the personality...
6: and thanks  ;D

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Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #16 on: March 05, 2008, 03:59:48 pm »
Just one question to you guys; Do you actually know what bisexual means?

EDIT: I missunderstood Qaqa, sorry, but it still seems like Hermod doesn't know what bisexual means.
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« Reply #17 on: March 05, 2008, 04:02:40 pm »
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2: well who says you can only have one religion...
(and lol on 1000 religions XD)
3: yea...
4: to be exactly I know 4 bisexual and I REALLY think that all of them are it for real
5: well this might be because I have experience of it my self. It was for like one year ago that I started to chat with a girl that I had meat on a scout camp for two years ago (but only spoken to her ones). and after some time chating with her I started to like her more and more... and this was before I meat her or even sow pic of herbut it all ended the summer 07 thats why I dont think you fall in love with a body but rather the personality...
6: and thanks  ;D

You can't be a christian and a muslim at the same time. Because both religion requests loyality. A true religion is a religion you made yourself.

And yeah, 4 bisexual sounds pretty realistic then. You gotta have many friends :P

5: maybe it is the feeling to talk with a girl, without beeing shy. You fall in love with an other person that she really is, i bet you imaginied her like a princess, so much, so it became real.

6: it's the true, and the true is welcome.

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Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #18 on: March 05, 2008, 04:20:17 pm »

You can't be a christian and a muslim at the same time. Because both religion requests loyality. A true religion is a religion you made yourself.

well you cant be a true and loyal christian and muslim at the same time but my point it that dont have to be bound to only one religion and that religions arguments and stuff, I think that if you like some things from lets say muslim and the budism then why not use both, use the religions as a guide-line 

Thor

Re: Religion, sexuality, etc.
« Reply #19 on: March 05, 2008, 05:09:12 pm »
I am Christian and straight.

It is very pretty sure thing, that the reason of leaving church is church tax. I really can't understand why do somenodies leave church just because of money? Are we humans really so selfish? Whatever, we are living the End Beginning time, and the Bible says these kind of features are part of End Beginning. But of course there must be humans who leave church because of that they don't believe, and I have personally nothing to against it.

Yeah, now somebody tries to deny the Bible

"It is just a book written by some random n00bs"

BIIB! You got wrong answer. Everyone who state that haven't gone deep into it. Everyone who have read alot of the Bible knows that there is huge amount of prophecies. And wow, those prophecies are true! For example the Bible tells that in End Beginning time there will be a lot of "weird killing" which means suicideattacks.

I am very strict to homosexuals, sorry. It is just wrong.
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