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Author Topic: The war in iraq  (Read 8214 times)

ExiT

Re: The war in iraq
« Reply #20 on: February 03, 2008, 04:53:52 pm »
I think we never should of gone to war in the first place. We went to war on a basis of finding "Weapons of mass destruction" which of course were never found. Now we have thousands of troops dead and the country is in the biggest debt in US history. The only thing we really needed to do in Iraq was stop the dictation of Saddam and after that we should have just left...this war at this point is just a total waste of life.
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Re: The war in iraq
« Reply #21 on: February 03, 2008, 04:56:18 pm »
Yeah people are dying for a cause no one knows anymore and bush is the worst some how he got into office again even thou every president has been to war hes been the stupidest and he should of been gone and saddam was gone.
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ExiT

Re: The war in iraq
« Reply #22 on: February 05, 2008, 02:04:04 am »
i beg to differ. The only reason bush is in office right now is because he gives the rich tax cuts to the rich saying it supposedly "boost economic growth". A majority of his vote comes from these people. So he didnt get in office from smarts he got it almost by bribing not quiet though. And the war on terror? All 9-11 paranoia and the reason bush turned it into such a big deal is because terrorists tried to assassinate his father while he was in office so most likely he just wants revenge. Nothing about that man is right..
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Re: The war in iraq
« Reply #23 on: February 05, 2008, 05:45:24 am »
Quote from: Bill Hicks
First of all i think it should be said that there never was a war. [self mocking voice]"well how can you say that bill?" well. A war is when two armies are fighting.
So you see, right there... it wasnt exactly a war.
The "war" never should have been anyway. and after sadam was dead the peace keeping seemed a bit violent to me..
eh. it doesnt really concern me at the moment. *glares at Mr. Bush*

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Re: The war in iraq
« Reply #24 on: February 13, 2008, 01:49:28 am »
Quote from: Bill Hicks
First of all i think it should be said that there never was a war. [self mocking voice]"well how can you say that bill?" well. A war is when two armies are fighting.
So you see, right there... it wasnt exactly a war.
The "war" never should have been anyway. and after sadam was dead the peace keeping seemed a bit violent to me..
eh. it doesnt really concern me at the moment. *glares at Mr. Bush*
It did get a bit out of hand as in Us should of left long b4 now.
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X4VI3R

Re: The war in iraq
« Reply #25 on: February 13, 2008, 02:10:25 am »
I think that Osama was trained by the CIA at least in the 80's when Afghanistan was at some sort of war with the sovjet. And the US couldn't have Sovjet winning a war, so they trained people who were willing to fight for Afghanistan so the Sovjet wouldn't win, though the US didn't dare to enter the war directly if I remember correctly due to the fear of a nuclear retaliation from the Sovjet if they did. When Sovjet pulled out of Afghanistan, the US said bye bye as well, and the country were left in ruins and became subject to civil wars since there really was no central government with real power and an election system was unheard of.

As for Saddam, I am unsure if the CIA trained him. Can't say I heard too much about that, though I believe the CIA helped him gain power in Iraq due to them believeing it was in their own interest to put Saddam in power. I don't know wether it was the CIA who left, or if it was Saddam who chased them away, but I'm lenient to believe the latter occoured. Saddam drove a very clear line from day one. To really make his point, on the day he gained power (through some weird kind of coup if I remember correctly), he asked the parliament if anyone would object to him being in power. Some people raised their hands, they were escorted out by a few of Saddams men, and then a few minutes after you heard several gunshots and the men came back in withouth the people who had objected. And Saddam then proceeded to ask if anyone else wanted to object. Noone raised their hands. This is all in a tape recording by the way.

There is an interesting factual book (Actually now a movie but i hear not so good), called Charlie Wilson's war that goes into that. Yes, when the Soviets invaded Afganistan the US saw it as a chance to do what the Soviets had done to us in Vietnam, that is fund and train rebels, or "Freedom Fighters" as they were seen, to wag guerrilla warfare. This was done even to the extent of purchasing soviet weapons from the Egypians so that we would not be discovered if the rebels were captured. In the process we trained the best warlords b/c they were obviously the most efficient, although as their twisted nature became more apparent they were gradually viewed as less "Freedom Fighters" and more so as a necessary evil to fight the Soviet Empire. MANY, MANY, historians view the defeat of the Soviets in this war as a CRUCIAL turning point in Soviet power, especially in the moral of the people, so its debatable if this should have been done in hindsight.

i beg to differ. The only reason bush is in office right now is because he gives the rich tax cuts to the rich saying it supposedly "boost economic growth". A majority of his vote comes from these people. So he didnt get in office from smarts he got it almost by bribing not quiet though.

Thats fine personed, like I lack any other suitable adjective.. In other words, your argument is "Well I'm ignorant on even the most basic operations of the economy, but in my opinion giving tax breaks to the minority explains a majority win two times." Thats laize faire economics, moron, and its a legitimate theory if you understand it. Hell, if you looked into it further you might even find out that the top 1% of America pays 34% of all taxes, and the top 5% pays 50%, but fair enough i bet their all lazy criminals anyway >>.
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Re: The war in iraq
« Reply #26 on: February 13, 2008, 02:21:01 am »
All these conspiracy theories flying around..

Those suggestions of CIA training and whatnot - the Taliban were trained in Guerilla Warfare by British and/or American special services I believe, I remember seeing that somewhere fairly reliable.

Still, about the actual war. Whatever the reasons, conspiracies or whatnot.. the war went ahead. The issue now is that it's such a mess they cannot really pull out and leave it. That's what happened in the first gulf war and that didn't turn out very well.
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Re: The war in iraq
« Reply #27 on: February 13, 2008, 03:10:45 am »
hmm i never heard anything about this CIA tranning but i guess if bush don't want it going around it's not going around eh?
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