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Author Topic: Karma system going down  (Read 9579 times)

RuNyoufool

Karma system going down
« on: April 13, 2007, 10:56:28 am »
After evaluating the karma system, and how it has not proven to work well for LXA, we are planning to take it down. It isn't flexible enough to solve the friend/foe applaud/smite patterns that are going on at LXA. Only way to improve matters would be to moderate all the karma changes and decide whether they have some validity, but that would be very subjective, since mods would have to decide this.
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Gaston

Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #1 on: April 13, 2007, 11:06:14 am »
*Applauds Run for his decision*

On a serious note, the only purpose the karma system seemed to serve was people smiting their enemies and applauding their friends each week. Hardly anything that reflects the point of the system...
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[leke]GrassNinja

Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #2 on: April 13, 2007, 11:07:35 am »
Yes, but doesn't the amount of friends and enemies biuld your reputation? :P
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #3 on: April 13, 2007, 11:11:46 am »
Yes, but doesn't the amount of friends and enemies biuld your reputation? :P
That may be, but that's not the purpose of the karma system. The point of it is to applaud users for making good posts, and smite them for making bad posts, not just smite and applaud them at random for either "being my friend" or for "being a moron". If that were the case, everyone should just have one vote per user ever for it to be a reputation meter...
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #4 on: April 13, 2007, 11:16:01 am »
So? The karma system is'nt hurting anybody? Let it stay, it's not a main part that effects us. It's doing nothing wrong it's just not doing what you want it to do.
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Shade

Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #5 on: April 13, 2007, 11:30:17 am »
Yeh you can't take it away from us... Noooo PLS DONT!!!
« Last Edit: April 13, 2007, 11:37:06 am by ShadowNinja »
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #6 on: April 13, 2007, 11:37:07 am »
I dont give a shit really.
After all karma doesnt show anything anyway.
Screams is cool but has -1000 so....

I wont miss it :)
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Swift

Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #7 on: April 13, 2007, 11:37:48 am »
So? The karma system is'nt hurting anybody? Let it stay, it's not a main part that effects us. It's doing nothing wrong it's just not doing what you want it to do.

Indeed its not doing what its meant for.
Lets take a look at leke and finno. They are smiting each other as much as they can, and aplaud their clan members as much as they can.

So nowdays its more like a stupid little game. And we dont think that a stupid little game should apear in someone's profile.
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Oxygen

Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #8 on: April 13, 2007, 11:39:44 am »
So? The karma system is'nt hurting anybody? Let it stay, it's not a main part that effects us. It's doing nothing wrong it's just not doing what you want it to do.

Indeed its not doing what its meant for.
Lets take a look at leke and finno. They are smiting each other as much as they can, and aplaud their clan members as much as they can.

So nowdays its more like a stupid little game. And we dont think that a stupid little game should apear in someone's profile.

I applauded gigus the other day. Technically it's making more clan rilvary and thats nothing bad so long as it does'nt get out of hand.

And...I LOVE STUPID LITTLE GAMES!
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Shade

Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #9 on: April 13, 2007, 12:01:38 pm »
brat that would just leave a heap of useless comments...
Maybe we should just make the whole system useless exept only mods may use it...
Wipe what is there at the moment
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RuNyoufool

Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #10 on: April 13, 2007, 12:28:02 pm »
If they skip the commentary field I will definately think less about this forum.

Commentary field (and karma points) was the best way to let users know what they thought of the other users post without having to spam in the topic itself. If the commentfield goes, Im sure it will leave some users forced to post their "remarks" in the actual topic instead. Is that what you want?

very good point. I just found that the new karma mod has a notification option, so comments could be pm-ed to users directly.

Makes me think though, there's not much difference with quoting the reply and sending a pm with a comment, is there? Besides that karma comments are public atm, which might change as well.
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #11 on: April 13, 2007, 01:13:53 pm »
RuNYouFool:

- Skip the plus/minus
- Keep the commentaryfield

This way people can write small comment on good/bad post, karma wont be counted in + or -, rather in how many comments your different posts have gotten (bad as good).

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I think it is just silly looking at someones karma and seeing he got 10 "+" from a friend the past week, and 10 "-" from an enemy. It is just ridiculous.
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #12 on: April 13, 2007, 01:41:13 pm »
If they skip the commentary field I will definately think less about this forum.

Commentary field (and karma points) was the best way to let users know what they thought of the other users post without having to spam in the topic itself. If the commentfield goes, Im sure it will leave some users forced to post their "remarks" in the actual topic instead. Is that what you want?

I totally agree with bart here.
and about giving karmas, some player get + just for fun from others, (like Spectro, Faisal)
Some get karmas only for serious things, I mean good posts here.

and some get minus Karma with the same reason, ( one example: Crusader gave a - to Adam,( just because he had put up a few pictures about himself) saying Yeah you made my day..... now I think thats really wierd.

So all in one, eventough I dont care wteher it stays or not, I still like to read the comments from time to time, mainly when they are given with a normal point.
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #13 on: April 13, 2007, 01:59:10 pm »
Actually I don't really care about Karma, (Not anymore) exactly cause of these "stupid little games" XD how Kiwi calls them.
IMO, Karma should be taken a bit more serious. It just doesn't show anything yet... just how often your friends applaud you.

But on the other hand, there is also the thing with stealing. If you steal, you loose very much Karma in a very short time. Also that is something that makes the Karma thingy useless then... Because if someone steals, he immediatley gets minus karma, look at Screams, look at all the other who have like -200 - 1000 karma, they aren't really that stupid and don't deserve such a low Karma.

If you could buy "10 Karma points to give" in the shop for credits, that would make Karma much more worth, so we could get rid of the Karmaspam. Well "buying" it is maybe a bit exaggerated, but I mean it just in General, making the Karma to something that isn't "free", something of what you don't have an infinite stock.

But if we get rid of the Karma system, I find bart's idea evry good. (Keeping comments skipping + - )
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #14 on: April 13, 2007, 02:10:49 pm »
Actually I don't really care about Karma, (Not anymore) exactly cause of these "stupid little games" XD how Kiwi calls them.
IMO, Karma should be taken a bit more serious. It just doesn't show anything yet... just how often your friends applaud you.

I just can't understand why you say something like that when your karma changes shows this


[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   ShadowNinja (+45/-50)   +   iflagshouldbedefeatedletsstartoutwithyou!!   In topic   Today at 12:37:09 AM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   [leke]GrassNinja (+136/-71)   +   chch ja wae warms bier =D   In topic   April 12, 2007, 06:32:29 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   Boss (+45/-60)   -   for 30 smites of you, you get one back   In topic   March 31, 2007, 07:56:45 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   ShadowNinja (+45/-50)   +   likewise   In topic   March 28, 2007, 08:27:12 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   Boss (+45/-60)   -   beautiful weather today grass, not?   In topic   March 24, 2007, 05:28:33 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   [leke]GrassNinja (+136/-71)   +   stirb biuiger boss!   In topic   March 24, 2007, 04:30:09 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   [leke]GrassNinja (+136/-71)   +   ja gaege boss. chum mir nueze jedi chance! (chch)   In topic   March 23, 2007, 07:27:53 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   W.we (+65/-15)   +   gib_BIER   In topic   March 18, 2007, 10:02:51 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   Durza (+20/-126)   +   for -100, looks perfect   In topic   March 18, 2007, 06:20:14 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   ShadowNinja (+45/-50)   +   up again   In topic   March 18, 2007, 02:18:48 PM

Anyways the karma system could make sense but it seems that on thease forums there are way to many persons who don't get the purpose of karma  ;)
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #15 on: April 13, 2007, 02:21:31 pm »
Actually I don't really care about Karma, (Not anymore) exactly cause of these "stupid little games" XD how Kiwi calls them.
IMO, Karma should be taken a bit more serious. It just doesn't show anything yet... just how often your friends applaud you.

I just can't understand why you say something like that when your karma changes shows this


[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   ShadowNinja (+45/-50)   +   iflagshouldbedefeatedletsstartoutwithyou!!   In topic   Today at 12:37:09 AM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   [leke]GrassNinja (+136/-71)   +   chch ja wae warms bier =D   In topic   April 12, 2007, 06:32:29 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   Boss (+45/-60)   -   for 30 smites of you, you get one back   In topic   March 31, 2007, 07:56:45 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   ShadowNinja (+45/-50)   +   likewise   In topic   March 28, 2007, 08:27:12 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   Boss (+45/-60)   -   beautiful weather today grass, not?   In topic   March 24, 2007, 05:28:33 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   [leke]GrassNinja (+136/-71)   +   stirb biuiger boss!   In topic   March 24, 2007, 04:30:09 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   [leke]GrassNinja (+136/-71)   +   ja gaege boss. chum mir nueze jedi chance! (chch)   In topic   March 23, 2007, 07:27:53 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   W.we (+65/-15)   +   gib_BIER   In topic   March 18, 2007, 10:02:51 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   Durza (+20/-126)   +   for -100, looks perfect   In topic   March 18, 2007, 06:20:14 PM
[leke]LemonNinja (+100/-56)   ShadowNinja (+45/-50)   +   up again   In topic   March 18, 2007, 02:18:48 PM

Anyways the karma system could make sense but it seems that on thease forums there are way to many persons who don't get the purpose of karma  ;)

Well. The swissgerman things you don't understand, why do you take them as example?
And if I say "For 30 smites you get one back" then that is just to express how I don't like him. What would you do if someone just doesnt stop smiting you? Btw, I think you didn't always click on the link "In Topic" so you don't really understand why I wrote it. Anyways...

Look whos talking ;>     In topic     April 06, 2007, 05:03:11 PM
Duality (+33/-13)    KiwiNinja (+72/-13)    -    He has way to high karma >D    In topic    April 05, 2007, 09:18:55 PM
Duality (+33/-13)    Hidden Dragon (+12/-8)    -    Goddamn learn to read!    In topic    April 05, 2007, 02:25:37 PM
Duality (+33/-13)    Durza (+20/-126)    -    Pathethic guy.    In topic    April 04, 2007, 02:24:40 PM
Duality (+33/-13)    ShadowNinja (+45/-50)    -    Annoying little bastard ^^    In topic    April 04, 2007, 02:10:11 PM
Duality (+33/-13)    Boss (+45/-60)    -    Vitu pahiss ;D;D;D;D;;D    In topic    April 03, 2007, 08:00:28 PM
Duality (+33/-13)    ShadowNinja (+45/-50)    -    Pathethic :)

I wouldn't, Duality =P
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #16 on: April 13, 2007, 02:27:25 pm »
Well all of those smites were right on their place if mr detective would press 'In Topic' hesself  ;)
Only the kiwininja smite was a bit unnesessary but he has way to high karma to act like he does.
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[leke]LemonNinja

Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #17 on: April 13, 2007, 02:30:36 pm »
Well all of those smites were right on their place if mr detective would press 'In Topic' hesself  ;)
Only the kiwininja smite was a bit unnesessary but he has way to high karma to act like he does.

So being pathetic is a reason to get smited? Btw I don't understand why you smite with a smile on the face...
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Re: Karma system going down
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« Reply #19 on: April 13, 2007, 02:45:20 pm »
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #20 on: April 13, 2007, 02:48:50 pm »
I gave that karma cus that post of yours made me laugh = You gave me a good mood
And you are a good guy so that gave me another reason to applaud you and cus not many have smited you and you have -40 karma i thought you stole credits. I meant nothing bad with that :/ well im sorry if you find it offensive or something.

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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #21 on: April 13, 2007, 02:55:18 pm »
oh Lodur, you got it totally wrong  ;D

I used your applaud as an example of what you should give karma points for :P especially the funny post part
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #22 on: April 13, 2007, 02:56:13 pm »
ooooh, thanks in that case.. I guess ;D
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #23 on: April 13, 2007, 03:23:18 pm »
If somebody makes a stupid post and you smite him for that, you get enemies, but if you applaud, friends dont come easy.
The karma system isn't working too well, I think. If you only steal, then your karma should go down, not by smiting. But sometimes its useful, too, but very little.
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #24 on: April 13, 2007, 03:46:02 pm »
In my opinion.. Most people dont really care..
For those who enjoy smiting each other.. just leave it like that..
Don't take their enjoyment... (Besides... Boss gets cranky xD)
Durza makes a good point as well...
Why not disable the function of smiting...
Just keep the plus for when someone does a good deed or something helpfull..
If somone does something wrong you dont need to bag the shit out of them...

Maybe we should all treat others how you would like to be treated yourself...
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #25 on: April 13, 2007, 03:59:31 pm »
Considering the enormous amount of posts already posted here about the point where everyone is discussing about how it works/should be used and all other things I believe its best to take it off.

Apearently if needs to be discussed what good it adds to the forum and how to use it,  its better left aside...
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #26 on: April 13, 2007, 08:59:36 pm »
Very wise desicion to take this karma system off. This system is very useful but it has become totally useless because some people just cant handle it and start to abuse it. Lately it has just caused bad atmosphere and alot of argues around here. I hope you abusers understand that if you abuse a system as easy and simple as this, the staff probably doesn't want to try any new, a bit more complicated systems at the forums.
« Last Edit: April 13, 2007, 09:01:40 pm by Drama »
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #27 on: April 13, 2007, 09:03:19 pm »
Applaud for you Run, because you are taking it off!
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #28 on: April 14, 2007, 12:55:34 am »
why take it away?? ??? I cant se any reason to take it away  :-\
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #29 on: April 14, 2007, 12:57:53 am »
Because it's not working how it was meant to work. Mostly because of people like me, Kiwi, Boss, Gigus and some others, who just spammed with karma. Sorry ::)
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #30 on: April 14, 2007, 12:58:27 am »
why take it away?? ??? I cant se any reason to take it away  :-\
read the posts above?  ;D

for me-I dont care very much, karma is sexy thing but if you dont like how it's used i have nothing against.
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #31 on: April 14, 2007, 02:21:59 am »
Because it's not working how it was meant to work. Mostly because of people like me, Kiwi, Boss, Gigus and some others, who just spammed with karma. Sorry ::)

who cears how its use if it makes ppl hapy then why take it away  like the dynymite was ment to scear (cant spell) the enemys so all wars will end but it wasent use like that it only make the war worse but now its used to blow rocks so should we take the dynamit away cpz of its used to samthink that was not its first was meant to?? ::)  get it :P
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #32 on: April 14, 2007, 04:16:52 am »
The karma is good, but to many people are using it because they dont like some one or say they have -102 karm the will just over to it and keep giving the a (-)
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #33 on: April 14, 2007, 04:52:22 am »
Just remove it... We don't need more arguments...
All it ends up in doing is creating spam posts...
And I beleive spam is against the rules...

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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #34 on: April 14, 2007, 05:01:07 am »
I like this idea, just cause I got bored of the system. I had my fun, I remember on a day before new years, I had like 35 or something. I gave everyone happy new year messages via applaud. I got to 50. It was all for fun. It will be sad for people who just like this forum, for that function only. Anyways, Rest In Peace "karma/smite"  :'(.
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #35 on: April 14, 2007, 05:10:01 am »
Just remove it... We don't need more arguments...
All it ends up in doing is creating spam posts...
And I beleive spam is against the rules...

Good bye, Karma... Can't say that we will miss you

You say this, but then why did I have to delete one of your spam posts earlier in this topic?

LXA had it's chance and it didn't work out, although I really like Bart's idea. 
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #36 on: April 14, 2007, 06:21:22 am »
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #37 on: April 16, 2007, 09:39:57 am »
Karma systems are always flawed. Good on ya for taking it down
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #38 on: April 23, 2007, 06:08:00 pm »
Thats pretty intense >.<

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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #39 on: May 04, 2007, 10:37:54 pm »
For the time being, karma has been disabled.
we are looking into implementing a possibility to comment on others without giving +/- points.
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #40 on: May 04, 2007, 11:03:37 pm »
* thank god karma is gone! Thank you LXA moderators and Admins :) *

My suggestion is that you could just write some kind of comment into same kind of bar as karma bar was but this time there just wouldnt be any +/- stuff.
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #41 on: May 04, 2007, 11:16:35 pm »
/cry WHYYYYYY you killed her soo sad so sad         (not)   
but I tink some ppl will miss the karma but I dont really cea r><   but I do like lodurs ide ;D

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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #42 on: May 04, 2007, 11:54:32 pm »
Thanks run, you made my day!
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #43 on: May 05, 2007, 12:43:42 am »
I sure won't miss it...
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #44 on: May 05, 2007, 10:46:11 am »
atleast i was on the plus-side when it ended :D
For the time being, karma has been disabled.
we are looking into implementing a possibility to comment on others without giving +/- points.
pm? and if you can give comments on others at least i would want something that showed that i got something new there, but i think the pm is good so long :)
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« Reply #45 on: May 05, 2007, 10:53:18 am »
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #46 on: May 05, 2007, 07:20:52 pm »
You should also disable the post account and the LX money what so ever. Now that Karma sysem is down "everyone" will be hounting those damn points to get some "net credit" 

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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #47 on: May 05, 2007, 07:21:42 pm »
what about the steal-credits function? :o
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #48 on: May 05, 2007, 07:44:04 pm »
You should also disable the post account and the LX money what so ever. Now that Karma sysem is down "everyone" will be hounting those damn points to get some "net credit" 

Spade for president :D
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #49 on: May 05, 2007, 11:25:30 pm »
...and ban brat!
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Re: Karma system going down
« Reply #50 on: May 06, 2007, 02:55:03 am »
One step at a time. To become GU2 we really need to start ignoring lx development first. I'll get right to it...!
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26 Mars 2007
Belle: woah, is that a neatly snuck in sexproposition? Could I ask you to take of your pants?
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