Topic: Making an extensive Strategy, Tactics and Action guide for LX (Read 6581 times)

Gaston · « **on:** September 10, 2006, 10:03:22 pm »

I was thinking of this today, and thought that it may be possible to compile one with the cross expertize of the people at LXA. So to help me make this guide I need your help. Whatever kind of tip you have for doing whatever I would appreciate it much to help me make this guide as I myself haven't got anywhere near the required expertize to help both new and old with how they should play lx. A great example of what I am looking for is Z01's thread here that gives great strategy advise for both Liero 1.0 and Zelda. if you want to contribute you can either reply to this thread or you could pm me with what you got for the game. I hope everyone who can, helps out here so we can actually make an extensive guide here.

OK, on to the sections, there are three sections here. Strategy, Tactic and Action.

Strategy: general advise on any mod and level, like "try to stay above your enemy", "dont waste ammunition", "if you move faster, the enemy has less chance of hitting you, but don't expose yourself to him though"

Tactic: More specific advise that can concern mods and levels. e.g. "In Lambdabunker with rifles 20lt, try to wait with using your combo until you got a clear shot on the enemy and he has no chance to jump or dodge the shots", "when you are out of ammo in 100lt, and need a quick reload to keep your enemy away, napalm reloads quickly and can do much damage if hit correctly on the enemy, and will keep him somewhat away"

Action: This is very mod and level specific, for example: "when you are playing rifles only, a way to jump higher than usual is to aim the rifle as downwards as you can, jump and right after you pressed the jump button fire your rifle", "To surprise attack an enemy which is pretty close and standing on the ground, you can shoot the supershotgun the opposite way than where the enemy is, and a bit downwards, then the recoil will push you over the enemy and if you are quick enough and shift to napalm and shoot before you pass over your enemy you are able to hit him with the napalm. This takes some training to master though"

when you contribute your tips it would be incredibly handy if you specified what section your tip is for. If you have any doubt of what it is a good way to find out is: does it depend on a mod or/and a level? if no it is a strategic advise. If you are in doubt wether it is a tactical or a action guidline, answer this question for yourself: Does it's exsecution depend on a player doing a specific move/shot? If yes it is an action tip.

Everyone who contributes towards this guide will of course get their names mentioned when/if it gets done.

[leke]LemonNinja · « **Reply #1 on:** September 10, 2006, 10:10:19 pm »

This is great, and that was while I was in your server

I have no addings at the moment, but i will think about it and for sure give some instructions to some mods or levels or whatever could be helpful.

A question: SHould it be a guide for beginners? So should we add things like that you can shoot through thin walls?

Gaston · « **Reply #2 on:** September 10, 2006, 10:13:32 pm »

It should be a guide for everyone, so that there will be tips for newbies, intermediates and experts.

Kurt · « **Reply #3 on:** September 10, 2006, 10:34:03 pm »

LieroX is a simple 2D shooting game.
Only objective is to kill, kill, kill. So there aren't many tactics and stuff in it.
Best you can do is probably write a guide about best weapons and how to use them, but for other things practicing ingame is far more effective than reading a guide.

Gaston · « **Reply #4 on:** September 10, 2006, 10:50:44 pm »

Practice makes perfect, but practice wont help a bit unless you know what you are practicing on, which is where this guide (hopefully) comes into play. If you see an ingame move by someone else, and you are unable to replicate it, you could look up howto in the guide, and then practice it ingame until you got it by yourself. this guide isn't something that should replace training in lx it is merely something that hopefully will help players to utilize their training better.

Raziel · « **Reply #5 on:** September 10, 2006, 11:00:59 pm »

Honestly, if you seriously gonna make such a thing, then I will support Kurt this time. It's a SHOOTING game. Ever seen ANYONE who would read guide for shooter? Zilion quake masters had to read few guidlines before they touched keyboard, all CS movies stars spent hours in the CS Learning Zone, where they patienty listened to boring voice of old pricks, who tried to epxlain what, how, when. Yeah suuuuuuuuuuuuuure. At least, it must be some abnormal dude, if he prefers read some weird guide, isntead make his fingers used to keyboard settings.

Now consider tiny fact, that NOT EVEN ONE newcomer, who is below 14 will bother to read somethign like that. Older guys that 14, already played enough many shooters, to FEEL what is needed in this kind of games, so all they need is becoming Cowboy of the Keyboard - not Guide Readers. No offense, really. It's amazing how you want to take care fo this community, and treat it like serious people instead bunch of blood thirsty kiddos. So good luck with continuing. I bet all OLD players will read it with pleasure, but they know this all already.

Ah, and if you will write it using serious language, without even pinch of sense of humour, then it will be piece of crap. I will be stuck after 5th line, and I think many other people will get bored as well.

Pathos · « **Reply #6 on:** September 10, 2006, 11:12:46 pm »

Personnally, I think its great idea to make a guide. It would be useful to players who are just starting to become multimodders.

Mr. Pimp · « **Reply #7 on:** September 11, 2006, 12:30:56 am »

I agree it is a great idea. And yes shooters do take stategy, tactics, and skill. Have you ever played CS 1.6? Do you want us to post our tips in here or pm you?

Gaston · « **Reply #8 on:** September 11, 2006, 12:37:13 am »

Whatever suits you really. If you want to pm or want to post it here is up to you.

Krayonaise · « **Reply #9 on:** September 11, 2006, 01:27:42 am »

There's a difference between teaching people to play smart or play honorably. And it's much easier to teach players to play smart. By playing smart, they must camp, lag and spam. By teaching players to play honorably, you will be asking newbies to do things that put them in an obvious disposition. Do you really wanna make supernoob newbies or players that get totally owned by those supernoob newbies? I say let them learn it themselves so they personally choose what they want to be: a smart player or an honorable player.

Asrack · « **Reply #10 on:** September 11, 2006, 05:46:55 am »

Quote from: Krayonaise on September 11, 2006, 01:27:42 am

There's a difference between teaching people to play smart or play honorably. And it's much easier to teach players to play smart. By playing smart, they must camp, lag and spam. By teaching players to play honorably, you will be asking newbies to do things that put them in an obvious disposition. Do you really wanna make supernoob newbies or players that get totally owned by those supernoob newbies? I say let them learn it themselves so they personally choose what they want to be: a smart player or an honorable player.

I couldent have said it better myself. Nice going KRay.

Nico · « **Reply #11 on:** September 11, 2006, 08:01:03 am »

I think its a good idea at the sametime a bad idea.

The good is that if its for every mod.
Ppl that arnt that active in one mod maybe gets activ in just that mod cause he knows it better after the guide.

And the bad.
Well as Raz said, small kiddoes wont waste their time to read it.

[leke]GrassNinja · « **Reply #12 on:** September 11, 2006, 12:01:15 pm »

most things i learned from watching other players while i was out. its the best way to learn, IMO.
in some cases, is a 'teacher' needed, like in rifles, the double-shot. also lamda moving/shooting tricks r very helpful, but u can learn them by watching other players.

and yes, i think that noone would read this guide until the end without getting bored.

[leke]LemonNinja · « **Reply #13 on:** September 11, 2006, 12:37:31 pm »

I think, that MOST of the things you can learn ingame while watching others.
But some things can be helpful if you know them, really. It doesnt have to be a huge guide, just one you can read in 5 minutes.
I'll do my part for this guide, coming up this evening

Z01 · « **Reply #14 on:** September 11, 2006, 12:50:31 pm »

I can contribute.

I dont know if it will be used much either, but for those interested or bored it can be fun.

[leke]LemonNinja · « **Reply #15 on:** September 11, 2006, 07:40:53 pm »

Ruki · « **Reply #16 on:** September 11, 2006, 07:58:24 pm »

I don't think it's a bad idea... i KNOW that. If it pleasures you, go ahead. But it is just a waste of time.

Cloud · « **Reply #17 on:** September 11, 2006, 08:01:17 pm »

You put some nice advice Lemon, good job. However, I can not see the whole Lamda Bunker map, I only see 60 % of it. The right and the top is cut off.

Also, I have taken 2 on 1 situations in Lamda, and I wasnt owned in all cases

[leke]LemonNinja · « **Reply #18 on:** September 11, 2006, 08:05:52 pm »

Quote from: Ruki on September 11, 2006, 07:58:24 pm

I don't think it's a bad idea... i KNOW that. If it pleasures you, go ahead. But it is just a waste of time.

If it does not pleasure you, dont waste your time with reading it and give an answer which does not help me.

I already told my opinion to this in this thread, I dont want to repeat it again.

Swift · « **Reply #19 on:** September 11, 2006, 09:21:45 pm »

Today im with the oposition. Tricks come after the skills. If you arent a master of the weapons yet what do you have to do with tricks they will fail. Like in your first post Hwoarang, if you dont know when to shoot to hit if you are flying over someone you cant do anything with this shotgun recoil trick. But if you are master with the stuff you can come to the idea yourself or you already have seen it ingame and tried to imitate it.
Tricks grow with your skills, so a guide not for kinde pro's is a total waste of time.

Gaston · « **Reply #20 on:** September 12, 2006, 01:25:12 am »

But still, you can be skillfull and yet don't know some moves that other know of, and when you stumble over them in a guide like this, and you try them, perhaps you make it work, and start using it more, e.g. improving your liberary of moves. That's what the moves section is for. The more advanced players who dosen't know every move that is possible. The other sections, strategy and tactic are for the more unexperienced who want to turn socalled "pro". I don't really see what harm a guide like this can do, hence I don't know why everyone bothers to write 1-5 paragraphs about why it will fail etc.

wildcat · « **Reply #21 on:** September 12, 2006, 01:29:30 am »

I picked up skills and tricks from other ppl. Some of them from just playing over time. You should stick to simple stuff like buttons how to combo (most noobs dont know how).

Gaston · « **Reply #22 on:** September 12, 2006, 01:31:40 am »

Quote from: wildcat102 on September 12, 2006, 01:29:30 am

I picked up skills and tricks from other ppl. Some of them from just playing over time. You should stick to simple stuff like buttons how to combo (most noobs dont know how).

If I get the support needed I wont limit it to simple things, I'll have sections for the ones who are more new to the game and I'll have sections for people who are a bit more advanced.

wildcat · « **Reply #23 on:** September 12, 2006, 01:32:39 am »

O ok well just trying to help

X4VI3R · « **Reply #24 on:** September 12, 2006, 01:46:00 am »

Quote from: Swift on September 11, 2006, 09:21:45 pm

Today im with the oposition. Tricks come after the skills. If you arent a master of the weapons yet what do you have to do with tricks they will fail.
Tricks grow with your skills, so a guide not for kinde pro's is a total waste of time.

I disagree entirely. I would say much of my 'skill' just comes from rope mastery, which came from the result of playing a crazy amount of mortars and spending a lot of time dueling a kid in "Duel." My suggestion for new nubs would be to join a mortar game and just kill themselves, then intently watch players like w.we, cloud, mfmr, and mates (ppl I have learned a lot from). A good player can then usually equate motar skills into napalm skills, like i did, and then gradually, after being ridiculed for napalm spaming, learn to spam other guns, such as the chain gun. Basically, mortars taught me how weapons in liero work, and rope tricks keep me alive while i was doing it.

Purplehaze · « **Reply #25 on:** September 12, 2006, 01:57:33 am »

i would defenetly help with this, whatever you wanted me to write about. i have learned alot over the last year. Im at your service

Gaston · « **Reply #26 on:** September 12, 2006, 02:47:10 am »

Asrack · « **Reply #27 on:** September 12, 2006, 02:48:27 am »

I'm already putting together a indepth Rifle guide, when I finish it, I might jsut share.
It ws supposted to be a slap in the face to the people who said I wouldetn do it, but.. eh.

Wander · « **Reply #28 on:** September 12, 2006, 03:50:58 pm »

Im not sure if this will be used much, but i think it would be fun to read and make it, so i will try to contribute.
While contributing, i will focus on mortar games since i think i can teach people a thing or two about that.
While reading the guide though, i will focus on the 100lt stuff since i think i can learn a thing or two about that.

Expect my part soon

[leke]GrassNinja · « **Reply #29 on:** September 12, 2006, 03:57:07 pm »

Quote from: wildcat102 on September 12, 2006, 01:29:30 am

I picked up skills and tricks from other ppl. Some of them from just playing over time. You should stick to simple stuff like buttons how to combo (most noobs dont know how).

hmm, the noobs who dont know how to combo.. r u sure that they would ever get such a guide?
u mean, if u r that new that u cant combo, how will u come to a forum like LXA, or to the Filebase?
its just senseless, and they would learn it from other players anyway.

Quote from: Asrack on September 12, 2006, 02:48:27 am

I'm already putting together a indepth Rifle guide, when I finish it, I might jsut share.
It ws supposted to be a slap in the face to the people who said I wouldetn do it, but.. eh.

wow a rifle guide from the masta!

;P

Purplehaze · « **Reply #30 on:** September 12, 2006, 04:16:03 pm »

Quote from: Asrack on September 12, 2006, 02:48:27 am

I'm already putting together a indepth Rifle guide, when I finish it, I might jsut share.
It ws supposted to be a slap in the face to the people who said I wouldetn do it, but.. eh.

yeah, i cant wait for that, even though he has taught me alot.

Z01 · « **Reply #31 on:** September 12, 2006, 04:18:16 pm »

Il be writin shit guides when I can acually use 2 hands to type again aight?

Gaston · « **Reply #32 on:** September 12, 2006, 05:16:17 pm »

Of course. We're in no hurry.

False · « **Reply #33 on:** September 16, 2006, 10:05:20 am »

I think this is great... I will read for sure.. I need help with 100 loading time mod playing... food fight... leiro1.0... ToT... I like playing food fight but i suck... I played asrack and blaze and they kept targeting me for free kills.........

[leke]LemonNinja · « **Reply #34 on:** September 17, 2006, 11:08:42 pm »

Quote from: W.we on September 12, 2006, 03:50:58 pm

Expect my part soon

Quote from: purplehaze on September 12, 2006, 01:57:33 am

i would defenetly help with this, whatever you wanted me to write about. i have learned alot over the last year. Im at your service

Quote from: Z01 on September 12, 2006, 04:18:16 pm

Il be writin **** guides when I can acually use 2 hands to type again aight?

Quote from: Asrack on September 12, 2006, 02:48:27 am

I'm already putting together a indepth Rifle guide, when I finish it, I might jsut share.
It ws supposted to be a slap in the face to the people who said I wouldetn do it, but.. eh.

come on guys XD we are in no hurry but it would be great if there would appear a bit more

Purplehaze · « **Reply #35 on:** September 17, 2006, 11:18:15 pm »

just tell me what u want me to write about

[leke]LemonNinja · « **Reply #36 on:** September 17, 2006, 11:19:22 pm »

Quote from: purplehaze on September 17, 2006, 11:18:15 pm

just tell me what u want me to write about

Teach us Lamda, and teh rest

But do Lamda, yeah

Purplehaze · « **Reply #37 on:** September 17, 2006, 11:23:29 pm »

Quote from: [leke]LemonNinja on September 17, 2006, 11:19:22 pm

Teach us Lamda, and teh rest

But do Lamda, yeah

HA!
nah, theres no way im doing lamda. if you think im good, you havent played Flame, Razor, Magus, Asrack..the list goes on..
have one of them write about it, because i only know like half of what you can do in lamda. i learn something new every time i play

[leke]LemonNinja · « **Reply #38 on:** September 18, 2006, 11:57:01 am »

And i know the half of the half of the half of ASrack about Lamda, but i have posted some instructions XD you could do it way better than me. SO do it XD this will never move on if noone gives us some strategy guides. From everyone his one part

Z01 · « **Reply #39 on:** September 18, 2006, 12:00:05 pm »

Right now I can type decent again with all my hands, so Il fix something up by Wednesday when my stitches are removed aight.

Il work on my 1.0 guide some more and the other mods, all cover 100% LT only tough.

Il also try to make some other guides, like advanced level making (mainly about making GFX since the rest is already covered by a great guide made by Q)

Purplehaze · « **Reply #40 on:** September 19, 2006, 03:42:28 am »

Quote from: [leke]LemonNinja on September 18, 2006, 11:57:01 am

And i know the half of the half of the half of ASrack about Lamda, but i have posted some instructions XD you could do it way better than me. SO do it XD this will never move on if noone gives us some strategy guides. From everyone his one part

maybe Asrack and I will team up and do it

maybe i should ask him first though lol

Quote from: Z01 on September 18, 2006, 12:00:05 pm

Right now I can type decent again with all my hands, so Il fix something up by Wednesday when my stitches are removed aight.

Il work on my 1.0 guide some more and the other mods, all cover 100% LT only tough.

Il also try to make some other guides, like advanced level making (mainly about making GFX since the rest is already covered by a great guide made by Q)

that sounds kickass. i cant wait

Asrack · « **Reply #41 on:** September 19, 2006, 03:55:12 am »

I'm going to do it, you can join in, I want Video Instuctions and everything. I mean, I am covering everything.

The list goes on.

darkazn · « **Reply #42 on:** September 19, 2006, 03:59:22 am »

Chapter Six: how to piss off noobs and pwn there asses

Gaston · « **Reply #43 on:** September 19, 2006, 04:28:50 am »

Great to have you onboard Asrack. Are those chapters just general or are they mod specific btw?

Purplehaze · « **Reply #44 on:** September 20, 2006, 03:14:53 am »

Quote from: Asrack on September 19, 2006, 03:55:12 am

I'm going to do it, you can join in, I want Video Instuctions and everything. I mean, I am covering everything.

Chapter One: Comboing In General
Chapter Two: Basic Angles
Chapter Three: Ninja Rope
Chapter Four: Advanced Angles
Chapter Five: Delay and Lag playing.

The list goes on.

well im assuming its for only rifles.

and chapter 6 should be lamda.

Adam · « **Reply #45 on:** September 20, 2006, 12:48:55 pm »

I know a few people who could excellently write chapter 13

[leke]GrassNinja · « **Reply #46 on:** September 20, 2006, 01:01:08 pm »

Quake · « **Reply #47 on:** September 20, 2006, 01:14:23 pm »

Quote from: Asrack on September 19, 2006, 03:55:12 am

I'm going to do it, you can join in, I want Video Instuctions and everything. I mean, I am covering everything.

Chapter One: Comboing In General
Chapter Two: Basic Angles
Chapter Three: Ninja Rope
Chapter Four: Advanced Angles
Chapter Five: Delay and Lag playing.

The list goes on.

Let's actually see if this gets done..

Edit after looking on first page... : rofl..

You agreed with Kray saying that making a playing guide seems stupid. And yet you seem very enthused on makign a rifle guide.

Wander · « **Reply #48 on:** September 20, 2006, 09:09:30 pm »

Quote from: Screams on September 20, 2006, 02:37:57 pm

...why make a extensive blabla guide when the essence of lierox is to get good in something by practicing.

Because its fun

Quote from: [leke]LemonNinja on September 17, 2006, 11:08:42 pm

come on guys XD we are in no hurry but it would be great if there would appear a bit more

As you probably know, i have had clan things on my head lately. When i said "expect my part soon", i was still waA|W.we

. So i havent had much time lately. Nevertheless, i do already have a piece. But i wont publish it just yet, it may take a little bit longer then "soon".

I want to make a guide for advanced players. I can do this in the mod that i have played ever since i started lx: mortars. Currently, im actively practicing other mods and i barely play mortars at all. Im not planning to forget that mod, but i will let it rest for a moment. So as my great goodbye to the mortarworld, i will write that guide.

While writing the guide, i think of the readers as people who have already mastered the mod. So it wont contain any tips like:

Quote

try to hit the wall next to the opponent.

Instead, it contains sentences like:

Quote

you are standing still and therefore u can aim your next shot so well that u (almost) cant miss.

So my part of the guide isnt there yet, but i can already tell you the base of it. The most important hint i can give to any player is this:
Always adjust your own playing-style to the given circumstances. (e.g. the opponents style(s), the lag, etc)

Purplehaze · « **Reply #49 on:** September 21, 2006, 03:22:38 am »

im excited for that mort guide W.we

@ Screams: i actually learned rifles/lamda by watching pro rifle players (Magus, Asrack etc..)
not just trying to learn it myself. its VERY hard to learn to be awesome at lamda by urself (not saying it cant be done)

Asrack · « **Reply #50 on:** September 21, 2006, 03:32:41 am »

Quote from: Magus on September 20, 2006, 01:14:23 pm

Let's actually see if this gets done..

Edit after looking on first page... : rofl..

You agreed with Kray saying that making a playing guide seems stupid. And yet you seem very enthused on makign a rifle guide.

I agreed with Kray, but I was already making a guide to smite someone about rifles, so, I thought, why the **** not.

I might as well just through it in, and if I am going to do it, then I will do it right.

Purplehaze · « **Reply #51 on:** September 21, 2006, 03:37:52 am »

OMG ASRACK 666 POSTS U DEVIL!

ok so are you going to film the rifle stuff and do u want someone to help u filming if u are?

Asrack · « **Reply #52 on:** September 21, 2006, 03:41:40 am »

I need some help, probably Magus, and you can do it. I just need some pictures or something to show angels and special things you can pull off.

Purplehaze · « **Reply #53 on:** September 21, 2006, 03:43:45 am »

yeah like rope tricks and stuff.. i really liked lemons idea where he took a screenie of the level, photoshopped #s on, and described what u can do. that could work for a bunch of lvls and mods.

Asrack · « **Reply #54 on:** September 21, 2006, 03:44:33 am »

That would be better with in game pictures, believe me. You can show angels better with a rifle.

False · « **Reply #55 on:** September 21, 2006, 04:09:24 am »

What do you mean by angles? moving or shooting? And in my opinion it shouldn't be too discriptive...

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Author Topic: Making an extensive Strategy, Tactics and Action guide for LX (Read 6581 times)

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