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[albert]

Just to point out that this has been in the original Liero... (aka remote bombs)

[SorZ]

Just to point out that this has been in the original Liero... (aka remote bombs)

As far as I know, a remote bomb isn't a moving vehicle.


Btw,
This should also be stated that, an open development where a few people builds exactly what they feel like,
and use the game as their own playground,
will always be inferior to a more strict development with clear objectives, with a respect for the users.
And that's where this game fails.

I know that developers spending a lot of time and all.
But I'm tired of their work in different directions, and I'm very dissapointed in the sudden changes in default settings lately,
in my eyes the devs lost their last respect with that move.

[albert]

As far as I know, a remote bomb isn't a moving vehicle.

It's just the same. You just call it different. And it's only a small detail if your worm moves together with the object (bomb,car,whatever) or not.

And I think sth like remote bombs would be nice to have.

I'm very dissapointed in the sudden changes in default settings late

Like which ones? Afaik, the default options are still all the same as LX56.

a more strict development with clear objectives

Then join the development please. Or at least point out the objectives.

Btw., in my view, the objectives have always been very clear (aka being a Liero clone).

their work in different directions

Like what? Which dev has worked in any way opposed to another dev?

Btw., please stay on topic here. This is about stuff like remote bombs or other controllable objects. If you want to discuss about anything else, please open a new thread.

Also, this whole stuff is totally unrelated to OLX itself. It is mod specific. You can do whatever you want in a mod. And you can simply ignore this mod.

[SorZ]

Btw., in my view, the objectives have always been very clear (aka being a Liero clone).

And my opinion about this is: it failed.

Like what? Which dev has worked in any way opposed to another dev?

My point was that there is too much stuff implemented by individual will.
My sentence went a little bit wrong there.

Btw., please stay on topic here. This is about stuff like remote bombs or other controllable objects. If you want to discuss about anything else, please open a new thread.

Also, this whole stuff is totally unrelated to OLX itself. It is mod specific. You can do whatever you want in a mod. And you can simply ignore this mod.

Sure then I will keep out of here for now, since I have nothing to add on this area.
I have said what I think about it already.

[Umistand]

Btw., in my view, the objectives have always been very clear (aka being a Liero clone).

IMO this aint any Liero clone anymore. Totally a new game. If this would be a Liero clone then it should be like it was, plain and simple. Ofc all those little feature like wants join messages and quick player select are good options but this has been going so far away from being a Liero clone that I cant even describe it with words.

Like SorZ said, this game is just your little playground and you do what ever you want to. Just surprised how you still continue listenin this bullshit (real talk) from all the old skoolers and dont do a shit about it and then just continue building your own little sandbox castle which always will be destroyed by everyone becouse it just doesnt work out. Still havent got bored to that?

Just....damn. Developers shouldve go and do that Hirudo shit they were planning to right away before all these billions of betas came out and leave LX how it was to people who loved to play LX like it was, plain, simple and fun.

[albert]

Umistand, not sure if you even have tried 0.59 then (because it is actually more simple than most earlier versions, including LX56; also, it provides more stable and fair LX56 gameplay than LX56 itself could provide).

And I think you definitely have not played the original Liero. Or Gusanos (which was always more close to Liero than LieroX ever was).

Remote bombs are pretty much Liero like. Just not LX like. Kind of ignorant that because of that you don't even want to think about it.

And I don't think anything must be changed in OLX for this because all the possibilities should already be there. Maybe there are even already mods using this.

With OLX, you can have any gameplay from Liero to Gusanos to LieroX. Like Liero kind of physics together with scripted dynamic maps and LX mods as an example. This is what I mean with OLX being a Liero clone. You can have even better LX56 gameplay than it was possible with LX56 (because in OLX, the LX56 physics will be everywhere the same - unlike in LX56 itself where it is different everywhere).

And you can have remote bombs. (What a crazy, LX56-unlikely idea...)

[Umistand]

Umistand, not sure if you even have tried 0.59 then (because it is actually more simple than most earlier versions, including LX56; also, it provides more stable and fair LX56 gameplay than LX56 itself could provide).

You are right there and thats just becouse honestly, I dont give a shit about them becouse its enough for me what people, that Ive known pretty long time, says here and in game or in MSN. I havent tested any betas after 0.57 b3 becouse that already was just horrible.

And I think you definitely have not played the original Liero. Or Gusanos (which was always more close to Liero than LieroX ever was).

Here you are totally wrong. I played original Liero for almost couple of years with my friends in our old house's basement. When we got to bored to that madness it was we tried to put more loading time and started to play more ''tactically'' and this reads on my story here in LXA. But you ofc couldnt know that so no hatin.

Remote bombs are pretty much Liero like. Just not LX like. Kind of ignorant that because of that you don't even want to think about it.

And I don't think anything must be changed in OLX for this because all the possibilities should already be there. Maybe there are even already mods using this.

Well, yes, I pointed myself pretty badly there about this whole Liero thing but the real main point was this whole LX scene. But still I gotta say that even the original Liero was plain and simple, like things should be.

With OLX, you can have any gameplay from Liero to Gusanos to LieroX. Like Liero kind of physics together with scripted dynamic maps and LX mods as an example. This is what I mean with OLX being a Liero clone. You can have even better LX56 gameplay than it was possible with LX56 (because in OLX, the LX56 physics will be everywhere the same - unlike in LX56 itself where it is different everywhere).

And you can have remote bombs. (What a crazy, LX56-unlikely idea...)

Well then you should go and do some freakin lierogusanoshybrid like Lieronosid and leave LX be a LX.


One other funny point is that how everyone keeps sayin that LX is dead and so on. Not that Im being an asshole but its just completely your (devs) fault becouse you keep makin all these billions of different betas -> whole lotta issues between people who prefers different one. And now when theres these new rc's which doesnt allow earlier versions to play, well thats just good thing in some points, but isnt that the key how you will destroy LX and its community when all the new players will play with these new shiny things, oldies cant get to play anymore and new people will never got to know about the oldies goldies?

[albert]

I havent tested any betas after 0.57 b3

It was a beta. How can you even compare that to the final release? And after all, 0.58 is pretty much advanced than 0.57. And the same is for 0.59.

I played original Liero for almost couple of years

If you would have played Gusanos or OLX 0.59, you would have seen that those are much more like Liero than LX56 is.

whole lotta issues between people who prefers different one

Not possible since 0.58.

oldies cant get to play anymore

Have you still not understand that OLX 0.58 or OLX 0.59 gives you better LX56 gameplay than you had with LX56? If you want to have real LX56 gameplay, the only option is to use anything since OLX 0.58.

new people will never got to know about the oldies goldies

They know LX56 better than you probably because of OLX.

(Btw., can someone please split these last posts from this thread?)

[Umistand]

If you call them final releases why you keep makin more betas and more these so called final releases? They cant be so final then if you need to do even more things all the time which isnt really necessary here becouse as fas as I know, this is mainly a LX community and not Lieronosid community so why is it necessary? You just take the power to your hands becouse you know some coding and shit and do what the hell you just want to, **** the others.

About the beta problems. If you really watch those people who plays with beta versions, like 99% of those cases the beta is some of the 0.57 betas.

And yes I have understood that these new versions ''gives me the better 0.56 gameplay than the 0.56 itself'' but that really wasnt needed. Or at least I think so becouse people havent had any problems with that. Why would they have played this game for so many years if they would have had problems with that? Huh?

[Umistand]

Yea Ill do a double post.

One more thing. Isnt development about things that the community asks for and you do those things becouse they mainly isnt really that huge things or have the oldies/people asked here some impossible things? Theres so many examples here in this forum where you just do what the ever you want to even tho community doesnt like the idea. Even if its optional, why to make it all when you guys should focus on things that the community really wants to.

If people have been just askin for a stable 0.56 version with some easy-to-use-functions and some bugfixes. That shouldnt be that much asked and then if you want to do something more spectacular and bigger, then go and start to make whole new project and not to destroy the loved LX but you have already done that so what am I doing here then. No idea.

People have been destroyin pretty much every single of these newest betas and shit by words and you still wont listen them and continue your little cute sandbox games and you still dont get it that most of this LX community still just wont like these new things. And whys that? Becouse its LX community, not Lieronosid.

[albert]

Umistand, have you understand the concept of major version numbers?

If not: Take a look at Windows XP final and Windows 7 final. Or Windows 2000 final. (Btw., all of those have had *MUCH* more beta releases than final releases.) Why aren't you still using Windows 3.1? It's so much simpler. Or better go to Windows 1.0 which is even more simple.

Back to OLX: For example, in OLX 0.58, it was not possible to have remote bombs (like in Liero) or scripted levels (like it was always requested from the LX community). This was developed in 0.59.

About the beta problems. If you really watch those people who plays with beta versions, like 99% of those cases the beta is some of the 0.57 betas.

Uh, what? Are you even playing nowadays?

Why would they have played this game for so many years if they would have had problems with that?

The majority of players have played OLX, not LX.

Anyway, my point was not that LX56 gameplay in OLX is better. My point was that it is still there and you are pretty much wrong if you say that OLX players would not know the LX56 gameplay anymore.

Isnt development about things that the community asks for

Pretty much *everything* in OLX was asked by someone from the LX community.

focus on things that the community really wants to

Like what? Make some suggestions. (And then after we have added/changed it, other people again will complain that we just have added/modified whatever that was.)

stable 0.56 version with some easy-to-use-functions and some bugfixes

You have that with OLX 0.58 and OLX 0.59.

[Umistand]

Uh yea. Now I have a really huge ****in communicating breakdown. Why the **** you have to do that kind of annoying quoting that you answer to things sentence per sentence? How the hell I suppose to know you got my point by answering to few freakin SENTENCES.

Comparing OS's and LX things, sigh. I actually do prefer Windows 2000 over XP and all but ive lost my updates to it (you can get them from internet yes) and some of my important softwares I use, wont work on it.

And yes, I do still play nowadays and I read this forum like all the time Im in internet. Watching what people has to say here and watching if theres some cool servers on that I could join to. Tho I play more Diablo now but I do still play LX everytime someone just comes and asks me to play. And I do it by myself too so Im not any puppet.

About that ''someone from the community has asked''. Like Im this Gary the Mushroom and I suggest you to do a option so I can play this game with my TV's remote control and then if you happen to like this idea, you just do it without minding the whole communitys opinion. Then there comes someone pretty known person and asks for some little thing to update his LX and you dont like it, you just leave it behind. But then in some point (after like 345 months) you make a whole new version of the game which has zillions of more options, including the suggested, which isnt just needed.

Like what? Make some suggestions. (And then after we have added/changed it, other people again will complain that we just have added/modified whatever that was.)

Like I said there, that simple 0.56-a-like-thing but its just all the same if you would do that. This game is already ruined.


It shouldve go like this;

0.56/0.56b comes out, it has some bugs and issues but its still okay. People likes to play -> Make there some nice little patch which fixes all those bugs and adds more easy-to-use functions like wants join, suiciding with console, unstuck with console, banning option, weapon presets and so on...

After that if you want to take it to the next level and try to accomplish something bigger, go and start that Lieronosid project and develop that as far as you want to and make others get excited about it and leave LX be LX.


But like I said. Its too late to do anything about it anymore. Now this is just pointless arguing and flaming becouse you devs have done your things as playing the god. So Im gonna stop this shit here becouse it wont take this anywhere and Gary the Mushrooms word is heavier even if he have played this game for week and likes to play some FPS's and wants some options to this game too.

Im just gonna enjoy the little we still have left and leave your asses there to computer chairs to do some Lieronosid. Just sick of arguing someone that just grabs on little things and wont let go of them and doesnt get the whole picture.

Btw, from how high did the midwife drop you?

[Tyler]

vehicles in LX would be silly

[albert]

Then there comes someone pretty known person and asks for some little thing to update his LX

Uh, you say you are more important than somebody else or what?

(Actually, what you said was that you think that I only listen to unknown people and that their suggestions are less important.)

Can you give examples where I (or any other dev) really did that?

And can you give any example where we didn't included a suggestion and have no intentions to do so?

And scripted levels and scripted mods were always highly requested by a lot of people from the LX community.

fixed LX56 + scripting + other stuff you wanted ~= OLX 0.59.

Or to say it in a different way: Despite the scripting engine (and everything which is implied by that) and most of the stuff you just requested and LX56, there is not much in OLX 0.59.

0.56/0.56b comes out, it has some bugs and issues but its still okay. People likes to play -> Make there some nice little patch which fixes all those bugs and adds more easy-to-use functions like wants join, suiciding with console, unstuck with console, banning option, weapon presets and so on...

And so on. Uh, and there we are at OLX again.

leave LX be LX

And LX is still LX, even in OLX. And with those things you wanted.

[*Gyogyi*]

He is somewhat right albert actually. Im not flaming you or anything but its clearly proven that your work is turning lx to be a mess in a way that you do NOT see the overall picture.

If you work was succesful it would bring more new people to the game, but meanwhile doing all the useless things and addons , patches for lx you do not fix general things, you do not pay attention of how the game would attract new people.

Then again, its not your fault. Your just a programmer, but not a manager to add stuff to the game which would make it interesting to outsiders. Ive stopped caring about it, after telling my opinion suggestions did not find any ears to get understood. Only exception was Karel there, and luckily I still had enough will to save at least the best gameplay to this never version of lx.

I dont even know how this gusanos thing is going these days, but I ll have to give it a try.
But its POINTLESS to fix any bugs until you do NOT solve general problems, such as things related to the general interface, on example, a great tutorial (HoWToPlay),  and hosting like 40 different bot servers with different player amount and settings to play on, of course with the correct titles for those.

I wonder when you are going to realise that you are just totall killing the game and the comunity by splitting it into parts, and still not fixing the biggest problems. Perhaps you are just unable to realise the real matters. Even that wouldnt be a problem if you did not act like a totally stubborn man. Karel was the only exception here as well. He knows the past, the continous and the future  image of the game.

Last but not least I must say, I would LOVE to see most of your implements to liero extreme as the game needs improvement itself as well. BUT NOT until the MAIN issues of howtomakethisgamepopularagain are NOT FIXED.

And in case Umistand's post wasnt more important than others, then Im here to give my name to make his and my own post to BE more important than most others'.

Im sorry if this was offensive in any way,because I still respect you for what you are doing but not when it comes to your  decidewhichproblemismoreimportant skills.


Yes, after months, you've heard

[AoG]'SL*Gyogyi*

[Lodur]

OLX beta 38 provides better 0.56 gameplay than the real 0.56?
Dude.. If you paint a green apple with red it wont turn any better - in fact, you just ruined the apple cus now it tastes like paint and cus you will starve without it you have to eat. You cant say that it has better 0.56 than the 0.56 itself..

Personally I always disliked Oz, FoH, Shank and everyone but right now I miss every god damn one of them who quit LX and left us to deal with this shit.
I know Legend is the next one who is out of here for sure. Maybe I'll be following him. We'll see how these things work out.

ps. I LOVED ALL THE WALLBUGS, SHOOT-THRO-WALLS, EVERYONE HAVING THE SAME GOD DAMN VERSION AND SOME SLAKO GUY NOT WHINING WHEN I DONT GET HIT BY HIS FUKKKIN GODLIKE NAPALM FKKYEAAAHH.

good morning everybody.

[Crizze]

OLX beta 38 provides better 0.56 gameplay than the real 0.56?
Dude.. If you paint a green apple with red it wont turn any better - in fact, you just ruined the apple cus now it tastes like paint and cus you will starve without it you have to eat. You cant say that it has better 0.56 than the 0.56 itself..

Personally I always disliked Oz, FoH, Shank and everyone but right now I miss every god damn one of them who quit LX and left us to deal with this shit.
I know Legend is the next one who is out of here for sure. Maybe I'll be following him. We'll see how these things work out.

ps. I LOVED ALL THE WALLBUGS, SHOOT-THRO-WALLS, EVERYONE HAVING THE SAME GOD DAMN VERSION AND SOME SLAKO GUY NOT WHINING WHEN I DONT GET HIT BY HIS FUKKKIN GODLIKE NAPALM FKKYEAAAHH.

good morning everybody.

Eh.. I so agree with you. It was just amazing when all the players had same version and same bugs, no one had any advantage and it was realy interesting and competitive game. Nowadays it's just the player who has the buggiest version.(joni  no offense) And if their running like Skelz and sucking bullets like joni, then what can you do?

ah.. and PS. good morning. 

[Legend]

I find it most amusing that you Albert don't play with us, I think I have never seen you play a classic round in some popular server, let alone playing a few clanwars. Don't tell me you don't have time to play, if you don't, then where does the magical time come from for you to develop this game? I would think it's rather time consuming stuff. As you haven't played with us "old farts", then how can you possibly fathom what things we do value in a game like LX? Seriously, why do you develop this game? Because you like the game? Hmm, I recall you saying exactly the opposite. You are a skilled what comes to solving problems and whatnot, but still, I don't think you understand what LX means for most of the people, especially the older ones.

I like to play with the older versions because with tweaking the Max FPS I get a rope more to my liking. It is not possible with later versions, which is of course perfectly understandable because the target for the game to be fair to everyone, but after many years of playing the same version and FPS setting, I have gotten perfectly accustomed to it, I have the feeling when playing, which the rc versions lack, and thusly I am extemely unwilling to play with the later versions. Basically I think LX DOESN'T have to be a fair game. We like it as it is, so why the need to make it utterly different? Your arguments can be perfectly logical and reasonable, and yet there is a part community within the game who wants to keep it simple and play like they have used to. Even if it means a few bugs and unfair circumstances.

Take a look at Windows XP final and Windows 7 final. Or Windows 2000 final. (Btw., all of those have had *MUCH* more beta releases than final releases.) Why aren't you still using Windows 3.1? It's so much simpler. Or better go to Windows 1.0 which is even more simple.

This made me chuckle quite a bit. All right, I see where you are going, nowadays we use an updated windows for various reasons, they are more user-friendly, compatible and blablabla you get the idea. But you have to admit that is a silly comparison. I would think LX is more like chess, ancient old, but still entertaining. What the development is causing now is basically that the chess players get frustrated for example because they can't use the bishop or rook due to they can't move their hands properly (aiming speed problems) and thusly they need to spend a lot efforts trying to fix their hands in order to play normally again!

[RussG]

Skelz mentioned. I miss Skelz. Where's Skelz? When is the international Skelz day?

[MiLeC]