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albert

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #280 on: May 26, 2009, 03:12:24 pm »
Looks like we're coming to an agreement :) The combination crossed my mind as well and the subtitle part isn't that bad.

SEO is not a big concern, we will get it up there. We'd only have to find a domain name. Something like hirudo-le or hirudo-game..

I still don't like the Hirudo part that much. I would vote perhaps just for Liero Evolution. (www.liero-evolution.org is available) (whereby some other good suggestions also came up lately in this thread). Not sure about the other devs. Pelya also didn't liked it in the beginning (he said it just sounds too Japanese and too strange for somebody who has no idea what it means - something I have to agree with), not sure if he is obliging now or if he really likes it when put in that combination.

I am also not sure about the impression Hirudo is giving to someone who just never have heard of it. I would perhaps think of some Japanese anime movie - but not about a worms game / liero clone.
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Nets

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #281 on: May 26, 2009, 03:28:02 pm »
I agree. Hirudo would probably bring us Japanese or Chinese players. I think Liero Evolution sounds cool , it's catchy and yet it still tells that the game we are  dealing with , is "Liero". However , i got another idea , why not make a trailer once uhh , the Betas are done or so and tag it under some popular Tags in Youtube as in (2d , shooter , frag and so on) i think we might have a chance <- OFFTOPIC. But yeah.. Liero Evolution fits...

also Liero Reborn as an idea (little simple-minded , but yeah..)
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miri

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #282 on: May 26, 2009, 08:22:24 pm »
I thought the name Hirudo was going to be used for an advanced version of LX incompatible to whatever OLX.
Ps, http://www.hirudo-forums.net/ is available
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Hatten

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #283 on: May 26, 2009, 08:32:40 pm »
The Hirudo in Hirudo: Liero Evolution can easily be changed. Not everybody likes it and domain names are taken. Names such as Blastiny: Liero Evolution does also work. I think Swormed: Liero Evolution feels a little bit odd, worms+liero in the same name. About shortening it to HLE, i don't think it should be done, think about Wesnoth, the correct name is Battle For Wesnoth, but almost nobody says bfw.
I thought the name Hirudo was going to be used for an advanced version of LX incompatible to whatever OLX.
Ps, http://www.hirudo-forums.net/ is available
yeah, but thats for the forums, the homepage shouldnt have forum in the URL...
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Cloud

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #284 on: May 26, 2009, 08:38:23 pm »
I prefer just Liero Evolution by itself, that way when people refer to this game, most times they will just say "Liero".

But anyways, all these domain names are available.

Hirudo.us
Hirudo.ca
Hirudo.biz
Hirudoonline.com
Hirudolieroevolution.com
HirudoLE.com
LieroEvolution.com

miri

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #285 on: May 26, 2009, 09:08:17 pm »
The two reasons why the name was going to be changed were:
-OpenLieroXtreme was too long.
-Some developers didn't like Hirudo due to it sounding Asian.

And now you are coming to an agreement with Hirudo: Liero Evolution?

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albert

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #286 on: May 26, 2009, 09:20:09 pm »
The two reasons why the name was going to be changed were:
-OpenLieroXtreme was too long.
-Some developers didn't like Hirudo due to it sounding Asian.

And now you are coming to an agreement with Hirudo: Liero Evolution?

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No, you are wrong in first and third assumption. Read through this thread, it's already said multiple times in detail here.

In short:

(OpenLieroX is the name, not OpenLieroXtreme.) Anyway, this name is not that good for some reasons. This thread is a bit also the discussion if it is good enough or if it should be changed.

Hirudo was never an official name. It came up by a similar (but much less thoughtfull) discussion/poll two years ago but the name change was never made.

Hirudo: Liero Evolution is also not fixed yet and as also said, most people still don't like the Hirudo part in it, so that will most probably also not be the final name.

This whole discussion came up again because some people (me included) were not that happy with Hirudo, mostly because it doesn't give good impressions when somebody hears that name.

And this discussion is also not finished yet.
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Sakmongkol

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #287 on: May 26, 2009, 09:42:06 pm »
Ascaris: Liero Evolution. ALE! 8)

No, Hirudo is still by far the best candidate (could be with the subtitle also). Maybe most people don't like it, but a lot of people seem to agree on it, at least more so than on the other suggestions. I would like to think a lot of these people also have good arguments for their opinion, from what I've read in this thread.

Hirudo: Liero Evolution is also not fixed yet and as also said, most people still don't like the Hirudo part in it, so that will most probably also not be the final name.
I think you should realize that you are most likely never going to find a name that would please everyone, or even the majority of the community. At some point, you (the developers) are just going to have to decide on one name, if you really want it changed.
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Ruki

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #288 on: May 26, 2009, 09:51:48 pm »
I agree. Hirudo would probably bring us Japanese or Chinese players. I think Liero Evolution sounds cool , it's catchy and yet it still tells that the game we are  dealing with , is "Liero". However , i got another idea , why not make a trailer once uhh , the Betas are done or so and tag it under some popular Tags in Youtube as in (2d , shooter , frag and so on) i think we might have a chance <- OFFTOPIC. But yeah.. Liero Evolution fits...
Why not calling it Liero Europe then? It will bring European players and you can still call it LE as you would do it with Liero Evolution. Trailer is a good idea! I think Run once hosted a contest where people should create a promo video for LieroX but it failed. Tafka recently did something similar :P (video, not contest). You have it in Google videos.

For everyone... Just read this again:
When you are deciding about the name take into the account that you should also consider it from wider perspective not just your own. You know the game under LieroXtreme or LieroX, or maybe you are too young for that so you know it under OpenLieroX or OLX. See, there was a change already and before that there was LieroX Pro and there could also be LieroX Enhanced... We would all like to see the word LieroX remain, as we are used to it, we grew up with it. However, this word has no meaning for new commers. Neither Liero Millenium Edition, neither Liero MMVCIDXIII or something else like that.

There should be an appealing name chosen for new commers.

I hope you agree that it doesn't matter what name it has for us, who already are in the community. What would be the point of changing the name for us!? We could remain with OpenLieroX for ever and that would be it, all happy. We are changing it with a bigger view, to get more people attracted into it and for sure we won't do that by naming it Liero. Those few nostalgics will join anyway.

I voted for OpenLieroX the first time but I'll vote for Swormed (I voted for Hirudo) now. Unless there is no new suggestions it should be called either Hirudo or Swormed. What would be the point of changing the name from OpenLieroX into SomethingLieroSomething??? As I already said, ask yourself why we need or want a change in the first place. New commers.
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albert

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #289 on: May 26, 2009, 10:03:06 pm »
Ascaris: Liero Evolution. ALE! 8)

No, Hirudo is still by far the best candidate (could be with the subtitle also). Maybe most people don't like it, but a lot of people seem to agree on it, at least more so than on the other suggestions. I would like to think a lot of these people also have good arguments for their opinion, from what I've read in this thread.
I think you should realize that you are most likely never going to find a name that would please everyone, or even the majority of the community. At some point, you (the developers) are just going to have to decide on one name, if you really want it changed.

If you are arguing by the amount of votes and opinions, there are more people who would prefer OpenLieroX over Hirudo. Me included, I would prefer the old name OpenLieroX over Hirudo. Not that the impression of the name OLX is much better but at least there is some more sense in it. But anyway, the amount of opinions/votes here in this thread will just give us some impressions but will not make the final descision.

The reason for the namechange was mainly that the name gives a better impression about the game, for people who have never heard of it.

Hirudo doesn't give good impressions - or it gives the wrong impressions. Just be a bit serious here, if you hear about the name "Hirudo", what would you think? You either have no idea what to think because it just says nothing to you, or you think of something Japanese, perhaps some Anime or something like that.

A lot of names which were suggested here are better in this respect (their impression), even some of which I critised to be too trivial.
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Gaston

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #290 on: May 26, 2009, 11:01:59 pm »
Hirudo doesn't give good impressions - or it gives the wrong impressions. Just be a bit serious here, if you hear about the name "Hirudo", what would you think? You either have no idea what to think because it just says nothing to you, or you think of something Japanese, perhaps some Anime or something like that.

What did you think the first time you heard the word "apple" in referance to a computer?

What did you think when you first heard "ipod"?

What did you think when you first heard "Wii"?

What did you think when you first heard "Liero"?

The point was and remains the same: OLX is a third derivative name. The game needs a NEW name. If it's pronouncable and not too hard to spell, while sticking to your brain, it is enough. If those demands are fullfilled, the only thing that needs to do the job, is the game itself. If it is good enough, people will connect "Hirudo" (or whatever other name we should chose) to a bloody 2D-game. If the product is good enough, and the brand name isn't too horrible (if you call it "asvkerfrqpwvndfoiwq" that would be a serious problem), the product will reinforce the brand name, and in turn, the brand name will reinforce the product. But as long as we keep the third derivative name (there already is an LX and a Liero), the name will remain being the foot on which this game limps on.
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Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #291 on: May 26, 2009, 11:24:03 pm »
i vote for a namechange as  well, this name ain't selling and who doesn't want to see more servers and more people in game. Just got to put our heads together instead of arguing, or better yet, let the developers just invite eachother to a msn convo and talk it through and change the god damn name,
because this will NEVER GET ANYWHERE, i can guarantee, this thread will be 30 pages long and it will be just as far as it is now.So to everybody, let the Developers change the name and don't whine about it like a sissy little girl they are developing this game, they should be given the freedom to do what ever because they have put so much work to it and are planning to continue with it. The game is still the same with a few modifications, and i bet none of us likes the name "Liero" We have just gotten used  to it. This is for the good of the game!

By the way, Liero Evolution sucks, just like OpenlieroX, basicly the same name, would be great if the name of the Liero clone didn't have the name "Liero" in it.
« Last Edit: May 26, 2009, 11:28:21 pm by Cizin »
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RussG

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #292 on: May 26, 2009, 11:39:53 pm »
Cizin has a point. Change it already so our brains may soften and begin getting used to the new name. I myself don't like the idea but what the hell, go for it. The game sucks anyway and we all hate it, right?  ;D
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albert

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #293 on: May 27, 2009, 12:00:41 am »
What did you think the first time you heard the word "apple" in referance to a computer?

I know the english name, so I have an impression on this (-> something fruity). As I think I heard it like "Apple computers", I thought of some freshly designed computers.

What did you think when you first heard "ipod"?

It's the Apple name pattern, so I thought of something from Apple. Pod only gives me a rough impression, perhaps something small. But it was somehow immediatly clear to me that it is an MP3 player, perhaps because I found it on a webshop with MP3 players or a friend talked about the new MP3 player "iPod" or something like that.

What did you think when you first heard "Wii"?

I always heard "Nintendo Wii" in the beginning, never just "Wii". And as I know Nintendo, it was rather clear to me that it's a new console by them. Wii itself don't give me further impressions. First I thought the "ii" means the number two but as I don't know of "Wi" or "W" from Nintendo, I skipped this impression. It also gives me some Japanese impression but that is logical for that name. The name itself, under the condition that it is a game console, let me thought of some childish console mostly. I guess I have that impression of "wee" by it. So the name speaks to younger people in non-Japanese countries. And in Japanese itself (also important for Nintendo), it probably has some meaning.

What did you think when you first heard "Liero"?

That is hard to say, as I was a long time ago. Not sure anymore if I found that game already on the computer in my computer science class or if we stumbled upon it on some freeware gaming site when we were downloading some games (because class was so boring). So I guess I have already seen it together with either a screenshot or so, but hard to tell. I didn't thought that this name has a special meaning in any language, I just thought it was randomly made up (it also sounds a bit like a German name; we pronounce Liero just like Liro, if it would be a German name, and Liro could be a German name, a bit (well, very...) unusual but could be).

Nowadays, as I have often listened to the Finish language, I would at least immediatly think of something Finish. Well, to be correct, I know what "Liero" means, so if I would hear some name with "Liero" included, I would think of a Liero clone. I know quite a lot of people (from those who play computer games) who have heard from that name (also before I told them...).

The point was and remains the same: OLX is a third derivative name. The game needs a NEW name. If it's pronouncable and not too hard to spell, while sticking to your brain, it is enough. If those demands are fullfilled, the only thing that needs to do the job, is the game itself. If it is good enough, people will connect "Hirudo" (or whatever other name we should chose) to a bloody 2D-game. If the product is good enough, and the brand name isn't too horrible (if you call it "asvkerfrqpwvndfoiwq" that would be a serious problem), the product will reinforce the brand name, and in turn, the brand name will reinforce the product. But as long as we keep the third derivative name (there already is an LX and a Liero), the name will remain being the foot on which this game limps on.

If I would hear of just Hirudo, I would think of something Japanese, not a computer game.

If I would hear of a game called Hirudo, I would still think about something Japanese. In fact, I always have to think about a game similar to Prince of Persia with some Asian/Japanese 3D world, no idea why. That is what I think if somebody would told me that there is already a game named Hirudo. Perhaps also some fight or boxing game.
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Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #294 on: May 27, 2009, 12:25:21 am »
One thing I don't quite get is that you know, and you also let the rest of us know, that you (developers) will be the ones to ultimately decide the name (like I think it should be), but you use the fact that most people don't like Hirudo as an argument against Hirudo. You did so here:
Hirudo: Liero Evolution is also not fixed yet and as also said, most people still don't like the Hirudo part in it, so that will most probably also not be the final name.

Really, I understand that you don't like the name, but then it shouldn't matter what other people think, you should simply discard that name. But if you let the community discuss the name here, and even vote for it, I think it should have some meaning and you should listen to them (us) to some extent. If you really want to listen to some kind of a majority here (like the above quote would suggest) the name should probably be kept as it is. This is what it looks like in the poll.

The best way in this situation would probably be that the developers decide the name on their own, without asking anyone else. There is no need to have all this discussion, as I think it is already evident that no agreement will be reached by continuing this way. Some kind of a decision could (and IMO should) be made already.
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albert

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« Reply #295 on: May 27, 2009, 12:35:20 am »
i vote for a namechange as  well, this name ain't selling and who doesn't want to see more servers and more people in game. Just got to put our heads together instead of arguing, or better yet, let the developers just invite eachother to a msn convo and talk it through and change the god damn name,
because this will NEVER GET ANYWHERE, i can guarantee, this thread will be 30 pages long and it will be just as far as it is now.So to everybody, let the Developers change the name and don't whine about it like a sissy little girl they are developing this game, they should be given the freedom to do what ever because they have put so much work to it and are planning to continue with it. The game is still the same with a few modifications, and i bet none of us likes the name "Liero" We have just gotten used  to it. This is for the good of the game!

By the way, Liero Evolution sucks, just like OpenlieroX, basicly the same name, would be great if the name of the Liero clone didn't have the name "Liero" in it.

The name change is not urgent. In fact, if we do it, it will probably be in about 6 months or so. We have the time to discuss it until then. If we are all fine with a specific new name, we can also make the final descision earlier. But I don't like it to just force a new name as soon as possible. We also have thought about some other internal code designs in OLX for more than a year (well at least I have), and it was good to take that time. Not that I am thinking about it 24h a day. I just let the idea develop in my head over time. I like to take it slow and intense. This thread was opened 18 days ago and the name change will be in perhaps 6 month.

I also don't think that it should be too difficult to find a name which is fine for 4 people (if I count in Karel, Pelya, Bram and me). But leave us some time to think about new suggestions (I am also thinking about perhaps some own ideas, whereby I am not that good in making up names) and then, we can see if all of us agree with something or not. And we (everybody here in this thread) can still continue developing new ideas or thinking about arguments for and against some specific names.

And I still think that it should be possible to use something better than Hirudo.
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albert

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« Reply #296 on: May 27, 2009, 12:44:08 am »
One thing I don't quite get is that you know, and you also let the rest of us know, that you (developers) will be the ones to ultimately decide the name (like I think it should be), but you use the fact that most people don't like Hirudo as an argument against Hirudo. You did so here:
Really, I understand that you don't like the name, but then it shouldn't matter what other people think, you should simply discard that name. But if you let the community discuss the name here, and even vote for it, I think it should have some meaning and you should listen to them (us) to some extent. If you really want to listen to some kind of a majority here (like the above quote would suggest) the name should probably be kept as it is. This is what it looks like in the poll.

The best way in this situation would probably be that the developers decide the name on their own, without asking anyone else. There is no need to have all this discussion, as I think it is already evident that no agreement will be reached by continuing this way. Some kind of a decision could (and IMO should) be made already.

There is no need in an urgent descision. We have some months time to decide.

We started this thread because we indeed want to know about the general opinion about this and to get some other suggestions because it's probable that somebody here has a better idea than we would have.

For Hirudo, it seems that Pelya also didn't liked the name but would accept it, I also don't like the name, no idea about Karel and not sure about Bram. For the other people here who voted, a lot of them were against it and I think some of them who voted for it just because there was no better name or because they were already used to it because it was spoken so much about it. Also not all voters thought at the beginning that much about it, as you can see in some of the threads in the beginning. Their thoughts also developed over time and they explicitly said that they would vote different after some new thoughts did came up.

I would just leave the discussion open for a longer while and see if some new thoughts or ideas came up.
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RuNyoufool

Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
« Reply #297 on: May 27, 2009, 01:04:33 am »
ahem. this is now officially going nowhere at all.

decide now or never decide.. postponing it again is a bit of an insult to everyone that tried to come up with good suggestions here...

the comparison with keeping openlierox or choosing hirudo is incorrect: you should compare it as a choice between keeping the old name and choosing a new one. it's 13 vs 33, so openlierox looses it clearly. (please don't bother discussing this, it is exactly as I say).

I fully understand that as a volunteer developer you want to identify a bit with the name of your product, but you don't need to come up with all sorts of excuses to not choose the name that has the highest popularity amongst people here. It would be better to just say it's discarded because you simply don't like the name and you envision a different audience for the game.

Anyway, I think there has been a lot of good input here, it's up to you now to decide what to do with it.

And in the end it's more important what the game willbe like.. I think we're wasting too much time on this (me included yea..)
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« Reply #298 on: May 27, 2009, 01:41:26 am »
Names I dislike:
OpenLieroX, reason:
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OpenLieroX is not a good name - hard to pronounce, hard to remember, long, contains X, has no special meaning, is not cool, people have no associations for it and it's made up of three words which makes people to write it variously (Open LieroX, Open Liero X, OpenLiero X, OpenLieroXtreme, Open Liero eXtreme, ...).

Hirudo, reason:
Has already been mentioned, sounds too Japaneese to me. I have never liked it, I just agreed with it two years ago as there was nothing better to choose from. That's not true anymore so I don't see a reason to stick to this name.
The only reason many people like Hirudo is because we've been mentioning that name for a long time. It's just about getting used to a new name, however stupid it is.

Names I like:
Ascaris, reason:
Sounds mystically, ancient (just like Atlantis) and has a worm meaning in itself, even though it's not english and many people won't discover that. But Liero is just the same case, isn't it? Domain names and Google are not free though.

Holez, reason:
It perfectly fits the game - you're making holes in the dirt. Worms are not the main characters anymore but holes still stay :) Also creating a nice logo for this name would be much easier than for Hirudo/Ascaris/Liero-like name. Searching google for Holez gives no good results and also many domain names are still free (holez.org, holez.name, holez.biz).

Wormage, reason:
It has an energy in itself. Something like: "Just shoot it!". Domain names are free and Google (almost) as well.

Ideas I like:
The Liero Evolution subtitle - that really makes sense, will bring old Liero players and will also give us more google hits (from people searching for Liero). Besides that, we can leave it in cases when it's not appropriate.

My decision:
Holez: Liero Evolution
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« Reply #299 on: May 27, 2009, 02:04:43 am »
At this point I'd like to remind you of the game called Molez.
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