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Sakmongkol

Re: Philosophies
« Reply #140 on: April 02, 2009, 12:50:01 am »
Yoho, I stumbled upon this topic once again, and realized that I had been asked something that I never answered! My apologies, I will now try to come up with some thoughts.

Yeah, I am indeed suggesting 'communism of happiness' so to speak. Recently, when I've been thinking about economical stuff and such, I have come to realize that my views are developing towards communism in other aspects as well. With this economical recession and all, I think it's beginning to be just a matter of time when the whole current system based on capitalism collapses. I know the socialist and communist systems did even worse, but I would like to see just one more country try it out, in a good old Marxist way, without all the Leninist crap. But probably that won't happen.

Well, back to happiness. I don't think happiness needs to depend on hard work or good decisions. To really be happy, you only need a certain mentality, that's all. But in a system that teaches everyone to work hard, seemingly to benefit the people themselves but in reality only to keep the system running, sticking to this mentality can be even harder than actually working for wealth (which doesn't equal happiness).

All in all, I must admit I don't know what would be a good way to share happiness, which economic system would work best and such. Maybe it is indeed so that the systems come and go, and there will always be the kind of people who bend under the system's pressure and become unhappy, as well as those people who can live their lives to the full with what they've got, and thus be happy. I don't know, I'll just go to bed and maybe get back here tomorrow to see what nonsense I've written. :P
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Re: Philosophies
« Reply #141 on: April 02, 2009, 05:51:07 am »
That wasn't nosense at all. In my opinion your really on to something. I do believe that communism isn't all bad, how can sharing be bad? Perhaps I missunderstood the whole ideology. I better get going now, but I try to develope this later.. Good day to you all!
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Re: Philosophies
« Reply #142 on: April 02, 2009, 08:58:19 am »
With this economical recession and all, I think it's beginning to be just a matter of time when the whole current system based on capitalism collapses. I know the socialist and communist systems did even worse, but I would like to see just one more country try it out, in a good old Marxist way, without all the Leninist crap. But probably that won't happen.
So far capitalism has worked out well. Even though capitalism works with "greed", which also brought about the recession, greed is - in some ways - the fastest way of development. When people want more for themselves they also benefit the society as a whole. It's also greed that made society possible to begin with: a group of individuals working together to reach more than they could ever reach by themselves. So the idea of a community is that it gives something to all of it's members, ultimately the thing that makes a society a desirable goal. So far socialism could seems like an ideal system for a society.
          You know greed is a humane, basic instinct. The fact that greed will always exist regardless of our upbringing and the society's influence to the way we think, socialism can't work. This is because all individuals in the society are humans and therefore they're guided by the same desires. So the society we live in is competitive by nature and nothing is going to change that.
         There is one thing that destroyes it all: in nature all species compete more with their own kind than they would ever compete with other species. This basic instinct also guides our behavior: if you lived in a society where everyone gets the same amount of commodities, you'd still want more. If you were happy about the system in the beginning, that illusion soon fades away and you start wanting more and more. If everyone workes as hard as you do, you want to do less work. if everyone gets as much food, you start wanting more.
don't think happiness needs to depend on hard work or good decisions.
I agree.
To really be happy, you only need a certain mentality, that's all. But in a system that teaches everyone to work hard, seemingly to benefit the people themselves but in reality only to keep the system running, sticking to this mentality can be even harder than actually working for wealth (which doesn't equal happiness).
Right mentality can, to some extent, provide happiness. You can't reach happiness just by thoughts though. Happiness always requires actions or experiences.
       
I just wrote about the basic human instincts and the same thing can also be used to explain happiness: once you've reached a certain level on something that is thought to bring happiness, it stops doing so. In other words: you simply want more and more. Happiness, as a goal, is the illusion that drives our actions.
        So if we're never truly satisfied, how can we ever be happy? I think that happiness is an illusion, a dream of something that we can never really reach no matter what we do. Failure, troubles and sorrow as just as much a part of life as is happiness. Because emotions can be divided into two groups (positive and negative emotions) and both of these exist at the same time on top of one another, we can never reach of state of ultimate happiness or sorrow. That's why I regard true happiness as a perfect balance between positive and negative emotions. Notice the word perfect. Perfect is also something that you can never reach, which is why you can never reach a perfect balance between positive and negative emotions.
       
Another thing is relative happiness, usually referred to in everyday life. Overall happiness in life just requires a certain attitude, just like Sakmongkol said. Yet, this state of mind can't be reached just like that. You always require some positive feelings, actions or experiences to reach anything close to relative happiness. You can always try to establish those positive feelings over negative ones, which is also why our personality affects in happiness. Some personalities are known to be overally happier than others, brought about by their better ability to establish positive emotions. So some people are, in a way, doomed to live a not-as-happy-life and others are blessed to live happier lives. Not that the environment and upbringing could not undermine our genetic backround to some extent though.
All in all, I must admit I don't know what would be a good way to share happiness, which economic system would work best and such. Maybe it is indeed so that the systems come and go, and there will always be the kind of people who bend under the system's pressure and become unhappy, as well as those people who can live their lives to the full with what they've got, and thus be happy.
True, in my mind aswell.

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I'll repost one message from the 1# clan on the LXA -thread which is in some ways lined with this topic:

I sure don't think so, but the people who have voted here seem to think Sak is more successful than DoA.  I think it would be only fair to credit at least some of that success to the leader of the clan (me).
True, although the motives behind the votes might be something totally different. You're a major element in it's succes, of course, but that doesn't make the whole clan successful, does it? Clan consists of individuals, so when the clan comes in to question, it shouldn't be leader that gathers all the votes. In my opinion, this is pretty close to why Perussuomalaiset were so successful in the last election (Timo Soini  ;)).
        
So the big question is the leader's effect in the clan's overall succes and whether it's your personality that overtakes the effect of Sak's members. Or in other words, is it the prejudices and grudges directed at me that undermine our potential success?

Another important question is, too, what makes another clan more succesful that others. I bet most people don't even think about it, but instead base the decision in prejudices and rumours (not that Sak isn't a good clan to vote for). I was just thinking why people give DoA negative votes. That's also why I'd like to hear some real explanation to which the votes are based on.
        The reason why I'd vote for Sak is that it feels like a safe choice, something that no one would argue with.

You never responded to this and I thought this might be the right thread for it. This is practical philosophy now  :)


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Re: Philosophies
« Reply #143 on: April 02, 2009, 01:04:14 pm »
I don't have enough energy or available brain capacity/cells for a long/smart ass analyzes but I'll open my cakehole a little.

If you want happiness for an hour, take a nap. If you want happiness for a day, go fishing. If you want happiness for a year, inherit a fortune. If you want happiness for a lifetime, help somebody. ~ Chinese proverb

Happiness indeed is a tricky subject. I agree with Rakkula, there can't be ultimate, perfect happiness, neither can there be a perfect life. Although, what kind of life I'd be happy about, it would be like following: stable life with steady income enough to keep hunger away, closest people living close by, recording studio where I could practice my love for music and a nice leather couch.

In my opinion one should not expect too much from life, in a long run it can backfire badly. You might get dissapointed and a burnout. It's the small things you do daily that boost your good mood.

Let's take little kids as an example: they enjoy life to the fullest. Has anyone - since "growing up" - ever even tried to react to some small things and enjoy them like a child would? And STOP TAKIN' EVERYTHING SO GODDAMN SERIOUSLY for once. Life sucks, true, but so what, soon it'll end anyways, so why not try to get everything worth takin' out of it?

Should one pursue happiness or avoid unhappiness?
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Re: Philosophies
« Reply #144 on: April 06, 2009, 11:47:34 pm »
In an attempt to avoid unhappiness, you would encounter problems (which is the whole point of avoiding them). Trying to stop or negate things will just create more stress, but then again-- paradox.
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Re: Philosophies
« Reply #145 on: April 07, 2009, 03:09:19 am »
If you try to stop yourself from being unhappy, you will just become more sullen than before. If you don't try at all and just not give a shit about being unhappy, you will be happy
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Re: Philosophies
« Reply #146 on: January 16, 2010, 03:39:48 am »
For real i didint real even one post from this shit but yeah if you come irl front of me and talk ****ing philoshophia for me i, really i can beat you from it. Okay i only talk finnish perfect so if yuorre from finland come and challenge me i live at

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Re: Philosophies
« Reply #147 on: January 18, 2010, 05:41:45 am »
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Re: Philosophies
« Reply #148 on: March 12, 2010, 04:14:19 pm »
Gonna continue gravedigging, cuz i love philosophy.

Do u guys know Immanuel Kant?
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Re: Philosophies
« Reply #149 on: March 16, 2010, 01:40:22 am »
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