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Author Topic: Games and weed are dangerous!  (Read 9587 times)

Savory

Games and weed are dangerous!
« on: August 24, 2008, 09:52:40 am »
http://www.whattheyplay.com/polls_july/

mmmk I saw this and thought wtf?  Parents on average are more afraid of their children playing GTA, or smoking a blunt, than they are of alcohol and pornography....

I can vouch from experience that alcohol alone can have worse consequences than all of the above, hell even sexual addiction is more common place and destructive than.....addiction to weed?  Does that even happen!?!? 

Personally I feel alcohol for minors should be at the top....cus I lost a few more friends than I needed to to DUI's.  Getting baked and playing GTA is what made me the honor student I am today  :D

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d ireland13

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #1 on: August 24, 2008, 10:05:05 am »
Im sorry but do you want the truth? The first day i played GTA san andreas i was higher than a kite....And my first beer was way more destructive than that.


And for the record, i do not smoke weed....i quit..
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Oxygen

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #2 on: August 24, 2008, 11:44:22 am »
Never understood the attraction of Dope and Alcohol. Porn maybe and GTA I find pretty boring.

I like to keep myself healthy, stay away from those nasty things. My body is my temple. Although I have been known to drink the occasional whiskey while no one is watching. But that's as far as it goes...Oh and the odd beer. But I never get drunk or even tipsy. Oh and I've had vodka once or twice...I swear that's all though, I may own a book on C0cktails, but that's only because they look good...

I AM NOT AN ALCOHOLIC!
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[leke]LemonNinja

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2008, 02:24:11 pm »
I'm not an alcoholic too...
I don't drink beer just for the sake of it, it's so poor if some people need that.
I drink alcohol with friends because it's so comfortable and brings some ambiance.
That's why I hate whiskey, vodka and so on, I don't see the sence of it. It's not even a solution for problems...
Drinking to get drunk... whatever.

@ topic:
I fully understand why parents are so worried about their children smoking marijuana. Because it's an illegal drug, and if
the parents have never had contact to such things in their youth, then that's just natural if they don't want their children to take "drugs" and do illegal things. Wmoking weed just isn't accepted yet in society. But if the child has just a little cluster of brain in the head, it won't get to synthetic drugs and quit smoking weed after 2, 3 maybe 4 years. Same is with Grand theft auto, people hear such horrible things about "killer-games", and they have never played tfor themselves, so they don't want their children to.
Now that's funny, I actually just had a discussion about alcohol and cigarettes like 2 hours ago. We compared alcohol and tobacco with cocaine and such, and we didn't find many differences. Cocaine is just as addicting as smoking cigarettes or drinking alcohol, it can also destroy your life (mainly alcohol...) and so on. But what would parents like better? An alcoholic child, or a cocaine addict? Society is stupid sometimes.
For myself, I can say I know what I can take and where my limit is. And I really don't think that I'm gonna end up sitting t the border of a dirty street begging people for some bucks, burning cats with gasoline and washing me all 6 weeks. But why doesn't the law get that....
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Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #4 on: August 25, 2008, 10:41:14 am »
In my opinion you can do anything you want if you keep limit. Even smoking weed. If someone get mad coz of a videogame and start shooting in a school for e.g. then the problem is not the violence in the game, but the insane in the brain. These ppl must be socially wounded or emotionally unstable. Stop blaming videogames mr.richa$$politician and think about the society we live in... The problem is that lil % of humans who r actually mad. And these ppl live among us. Watch behind often...
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NightShade

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2008, 01:12:29 pm »
Nothing wrong about kids watching porn! Thats a part of growing up =) All the boys gather around a computer at school and watch porn in the breaks (at least we did in 6th and 7th grade elementary school).

Drinking on the other hand is very bad at that age I think. If a 10-14 year old kid gets his hands on alcohol it wont take as much as it would to a 16+ old kid.
I'm thinking alcohol-poisoning is way more serious than smoking a ReLaX-herb ^^ (and it can happen the first time you try it etc....)
(yes smoking kills you as well) but it takes a bit more than 1 cigarette/joint.

Puff Puff Pass ;)
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Spectro

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #6 on: September 10, 2008, 03:32:01 am »
Nothing wrong with herb. Use a vaporizer or cook it into something if you worry about frying your lungs. There are zero medical deaths attributed to cannabis. Myths include loosing brain cells, sperm count, and sanity over time. It's propaganda bullshit. Politicians are just trying to save their asses from another anti-prohibition movement by infecting the public with lies, when they could be passing bills legalizing the sale of pot with hefty taxes attached. It'll simultaneously cut off income streams to organized crime while making a couple bucks AND keep more than 20% of our jails vacant for the real criminals who belong there.

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Alcohols fine in moderation. Your thinking train's crashed if you're more worried about your kid playing a video game than watching porn or drinking beer. They need exposure to the world somehow.. may as well be via virtually terrorizing a large city with big awesome guns and RPGs :P

Savory

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #7 on: September 10, 2008, 07:09:41 am »
Seriously, the government spends billions of dollars (the most) fighting a pointless war on the least dangerous drug next to caffeine.  It all makes me very.....mad.  FURIOUS, but eh
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Xperteas

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2008, 01:41:28 am »
Alcohols fine in moderation. Your thinking train's crashed if you're more worried about your kid playing a video game than watching porn or drinking beer. They need exposure to the world somehow.. may as well be via virtually terrorizing a large city with big awesome guns and RPGs :P

lol!!! well said!
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Dragoon

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2008, 09:54:09 pm »
Im learning about alcohol. Even social drinking can severly damage your body over the course of your lifetime :P :P :P
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Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2008, 10:00:20 pm »
Im learning about alcohol. Even social drinking can severly damage your body over the course of your lifetime :P :P :P

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Xperteas

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2008, 12:25:06 am »
Im learning about alcohol. Even social drinking can severly damage your body over the course of your lifetime :P :P :P


I've also heard from "experts" that 1 drink a day can help your heart and other things... the biggest fear is that some people encouraged to drink moderately will end up going too far. Which is a valid fear. If you can keep in under control I don't think it is a serious threat to a generally healthy person's wellbeing.
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Purplehaze

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2008, 02:03:48 am »
I've also heard from "experts" that 1 drink a day can help your heart and other things...

Specifically, one glass of red wine per day.

One of the chapters that I just covered in my Psychology 101 class was drugs. I am now going to cite the effects of marijuana from my textbook.
Marijuana
Principal Medical Uses: Treatment of glaucoma and chemotherapy-induced nausea and vomiting; pain reliever; other uses to study.
Desired Effects: Mild Euphoria, relaxation, altered perceptions, enhanced awareness.
Potential Short-Term Side Effects: Elevated heart rate, bloodshot eyes, dry mouth, reduced short-term memory, sluggish motor coordination sluggish mental functioning.

Now I shall cite the effects effects of alcohol.
Alcohol
Principal Medical Uses: None
Desired Effects: Mild euphoria, relaxation, anxiety, reduction, reduced inhibitions.
Potential Short-Term Side Effects: Severely impaired coordination, impaired mental functioning, increased urination, emotional swings, depression, quarrelsomeness, hangover.

Now, take politics and laws out of it. Which is safer?

Weed most certainly isn't causing today's youth to run amok terrorizing the world, and video games and weed definitely don't combine to turn the youth into crazy rebels.

We also had the discussion of how video games such as Grand Theft Auto are effecting today's youth. We came to the conclusion that anyone with half a brain should know when reality starts and video games stops. As for young kids playing GTA games and the like, they do have an age limit on the games for a reason. I don't know how it is in Europe, but here in 99% of places, they won't sell you a mature rated game unless your parents are there. Of course, there are easy ways around that, but I doubt really young kid, like 6 years old, is going to find someone in the mall to buy him the explicit game.

If anything, it should be alcohol that's made illegal, not weed. I like to think of weed as one of Mother Earth's gifts to mankind.

For all the people that throw up the argument that weed is a gateway drug, I'm going to have to say you're wrong. Weed is the only illegal drug that I have ever done, and it was over a year ago that I first tried it. I've had ample opportunities to drop acid, and once, about a month ago, I was offered a line of cocaine. I had no problem at all stopping myself from doing either of those drugs.

My roommate did bring up a good point though, even if I don't totally agree with it. He said that you only live once, so why not live life to the fullest and try everything?

Maybe when I've lived my life and I'm ready to die, I might try a hardcore drug. But until then, just puff puff pass.
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Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #13 on: October 17, 2008, 12:26:57 am »
For all the people that throw up the argument that weed is a gateway drug, I'm going to have to say you're wrong. Weed is the only illegal drug that I have ever done, and it was over a year ago that I first tried it. I've had ample opportunities to drop acid, and once, about a month ago, I was offered a line of cocaine. I had no problem at all stopping myself from doing either of those drugs.
You are indeed veri convincing on this point... Not to mention the remaining post.

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Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2008, 04:24:41 am »
For all the people that throw up the argument that weed is a gateway drug, I'm going to have to say you're wrong. Weed is the only illegal drug that I have ever done, and it was over a year ago that I first tried it. I've had ample opportunities to drop acid, and once, about a month ago, I was offered a line of cocaine. I had no problem at all stopping myself from doing either of those drugs.
You are indeed veri convincing on this point... Not to mention the remaining post.

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Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #15 on: October 17, 2008, 05:49:40 pm »
I've also heard from "experts" that 1 drink a day can help your heart and other things...

Specifically, one glass of red wine per day.
I think it is very important to be clear on some points here. There's very much talk about alchohol in this thread compared to Marijuana. But everyone should be clear that you can't just lump all beverages that contains alchohol into the same category. There is a distinct difference between for example wine made from grapes that goes through a very specific process, compared to say a bottle of booze such as smirnoff. The quote above adresses this. just like all marijuana isn't bad, all alchohol isn't bad either. Both can be produced in forms that produces dangers to people using them in some form, but both can also be used to enhance health, and also as an enhancement to ones experience for a certain while.

Considering this, the attractiveness of legalizing marijuana gets a little bit more shady. Because while the more seasoned user will know how to use it as well as knowing what is the safest brand etc, this wont necessarily apply to the average Joe. Legalizing Marijuana on a large scale, will eventually mean competition to alchohol, and withouth the illegality ot Marijuana to protect sales and such, it wouldn't be far fetched to think that companies that mostly live of selling alcholic beverages will eventually venture into some form of sale of Marijuana with the more or less, impossible to avoid, commercialisation of Marijuana once it is legalized. Put all of this into the competetive market, and there is a certain potential for Marijuanas danger (not in itself, but in the forms it is made available in), much how quite a few alcholic beverages presents dangers to us today. That being said, I'm not saying it will be worse or as bad as how alchohlic beverages are, but I fear that Marijuana may be tainted compared to how it is now through such a process.

As for the research itself, it is somewhat lackluster. Unfortunatly though, it will be hard to expand it to the degree that is wishable withouth legalizing it to map out it's long term effects in the way that has been done with alcholical beverages and nicotine.

IMO a legalization could swing both ways very easily depending on the surrounding factors of this legalization as well as new factors that we are not able to predict that will come through a legalization of Marijuana.
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Purplehaze

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #16 on: October 17, 2008, 06:59:47 pm »
I think you (Gaston) make very good points about the legalization of marijuana. I must agree that the legalization of it does get more shady, and there's no way of knowing what will happen if/when it is mass-legalized. One of my history teachers once said "if you want to try and predict the future, just look into the past." One of the best things I could think of relating to weed being illegal is the Prohibition Act of 1920 in America.

(Bit of background: The US government made all alcohol illegal, but it was still easy to acquire alcohol. Unfortunately, the crime lords and gangsters took over the alcohol business, and crime went up. The underground alcohol movement got their stuff from Canada and homemade brewers. Al Capone, aka Scarface, was one of the most famous gangsters in control of alcohol and other crime. 13 years later, after crime had skyrocketed in the US in the 1920's, they repealed the amendment and alcohol became legal again.)

This relates to weed right now because, being illegal, is controlled mostly by crime. Right now, people are sitting in prison because they were caught with weed on them, and besides weed, they had never broken any other laws that would send them to jail in their life. Ironically, the prisons in the US are crowded, and if weed was indeed legalized, jails would be cleared out by massive numbers, leaving room for the people that belong there like rapists, murders, thieves, etc.

The government has been releasing propaganda against weed for years, most of which was completely untrue. Gaston is right though when he said weed would be a huge competitor against alcohol. In my opinion though, I don't think it would be as much of a competitor as most people think. The thing is, people already smoke weed. The people that do already smoke (which is quite a significant amount, at least from what I have seen) aren't going to impact the market much more than they already are. While weed would still be a new, large dimension to the global economy, I don't think it will make as big of an impact as people think it will.

Mass production of it might even make it cheaper, which would make a lot of people happy.  :D
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Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #17 on: October 17, 2008, 07:19:53 pm »
Yea indeed if it goes legal, speaking about weed, then the productions increase, just cause it's legal. The prizes go lower and more and more people can buy weed. Some abuse it so on, it can't be legalized too easily. Some limits or so should still be set.

Of course cheaper weed would make me happier too. :)

Purplehaze

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #18 on: October 17, 2008, 07:21:44 pm »
I agree about the limits, you should only be able to buy maybe max 5 grams to a quarter at a time.
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Savory

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #19 on: October 18, 2008, 02:29:47 am »
Glad to know I'm not alone in my thoughts on weed.  Wonderful stuff in my opinion  :D
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Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #20 on: October 18, 2008, 04:24:49 am »
I think it's more serious matter to smoke something that will get entoxicated by people in the surrounding, than for example drink and or use "snus" to keep it to your self. I know they say drugs like joints are much healthier than for example cigarrets. But I think in the end it will damage your mind u get psychoses and such. Use drugs for medical reasons only! Also hope Obama wins the election.

Also about the game issue, I think that to much of anything will do you harm, memory blocks, bad vision etc. But the right amount of anything will only make u wiser. And reading books even how many or much u read u only will exercise the brain!
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Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2008, 06:30:57 am »
Weed in itself is not a dangerous drug. Experts state that it is the "gateway" drug becuase of the fact that if an individual is smoking weed you usually have a supplier, someone you get the weed from, and associates or friends that also smoke. This in turns gets you to meet more peoplein which case you are 90% more likely to meet a person doing harder more dangerous drugs. This is were peer presssure comes in. The majority of youth in todays society cannot stop from being peer pressured. Its the need to "Fit In" with the "cool" crowd. I have read that the only reason it is not legal is becuase they can not tax it. I dont buy this explanation becuase it would go into the same category as other plants that are grown such as corn, cotton, flowers, ect.

As for tht topic of alcohol. I personally love the stuff. As far as being dangerous, i agree 100%. I say this for MANY reasons but will only touch on a few. While drinking you get into a state of something i like to call "stupid ****yness". While being under the influence i have personally done many stupid things that i knew were wrong and i would have never done while sober. I have been in a few car wrecks while under the influence of alcohol and am lucky i was never seriously hurt. Although i dont think alcohol should be illegal i do believe we as a whole go overboard with it. Me included.

A for games. Whats the diffrence between GTA and all the gang/drug/shooting movies and TV shows on television?
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Purplehaze

Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2008, 06:43:07 am »
I agree with you to some extent that weed is a gateway drug. On the other hand, it all depends on the person. One of my best friends started smoking weed before I did, then I started, and then he started dropping acid. We're no longer friends.

Something that just came to me though, if weed was legalized, then you could buy it like buying cigarettes over the counter. That would eliminate that shady character selling you the drugs, who probably has harder drugs or has connects to them.

Also, there are things you can take right now, some over the counter medicines that supposedly give an acid-like trip. There's a cough medicine now nicknamed Triple C's that you can take, and so many more over the counter medicines. There's also Salvia, which offers a short trip (like 20 minutes or less if I'm not mistaken). Honestly I don't know why it's legal.

The difference between GTA and all the gang/drug/shooting movies and TV shows on television is that GTA is interactive. You actually control the character and kill people, instead of watching some actor do it on TV.
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Re: Games and weed are dangerous!
« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2008, 11:37:10 am »
If it's a good movie, you become the character by just watching him too. I don't think the difference is that big. However, with both movies and games teh fact remains that when you stop, you become yourself again. Not the character. I can't imagine these violent games/movies to be the cause of people being violent IRL. People who copy what they see are mentally disturbed by themselves and would've gone bad anyway.

About weed and alcohol: There is some sense to all of this.
Alcohol is undoubtably a very dangerous compound. It should, normally, have been an illegal drug. However, alcohol has been in our culture for thousands of years and back then nobody knew much about the dangers of it. So at a certain point, a generally accepted and beloved drug would have to be illegalised by the government. This has happened, as before mentioned, in America, but as we all know: It simply didn't work. Society will not accept the loss of such a beloved drug.
As to weed (from a government point of view), yes it is less dangerous than alcohol. It's still a dangerous drug though, so it should be illegal. Weed has never been used so widely as alcohol has been used in the past centuries, it was never so accepted and so it was a lot easier to illegalise. Just because one dangerous drug is legal doesn't neccesarily mean they should all be legal.

Wether or not weed is dangerous is not entirely clear though. Perhaps compared to alcohol it isn't and compared to sugar it is?
I live in the Netherlands and here the government decided a few years ago, that it wasn't a dangerous drug and therefore it shouldn't be illegal. In most other countries, government have so far decided that it is a dangerous drug. Personally, i don't think it is. However, i do understand that opinions about that differ and that when a government thinks weed is dangerous, they should not allow it.

About alcohol: I use it quite a lot (order of magnitude 30-80 units/week) and my life wouldn't be the same without it. I always have loads of fun in which it plays a big role, and i wouldn't want to miss it for a million bucks.
Occasionally though, it has made me do insanely stupid things. I might say that i'm very lucky to not be dead or worse: paralised from the neck down. I think that as any young guy i have a promising future ahead of me, but the alcohol might some day destroy that. When i look at myself from a neutral point of view, i'd say that yes, alcohol should actually be illegalised.
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