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Title: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread
Post by: pelya on May 09, 2009, 12:23:05 pm
Hey there,

We are thinking about a new name for OpenLieroX, esp. a name which is good for people who have never heard about Liero. This old name has some drawbacks: "Liero" is an unknown word for most people so they have no idea about it. And the "X" just makes it worse.

This rename will probably be done somewhen between the release of Beta9 and the next release after that. So it's probably some months until then.

This is what we would like to have (not 100% fixed; if you found an exception which is perfect but doesn't meet one of the requirements, it's perhaps also ok):

- The new name should be short and easily pronounceable.
- It should be related to the game in an obvious way.
- It should sound either funny, cool or just like something attractive.
- Everybody should get some impression by the name, thus preferable an English name.

Some others, more practical points:
- Doesn't give a huge pile of Google results. Most importantly not something which will always be higher than our game.
[ - Domain names available. This is probably not that much an issue as we could fallback to put "-game.org" in the end or something. ]

Then there are also some names we discussed already and/or we just don't like (browse through the thread to see some reasons). So, these names will not be used:
- Hirudo
- Holez
- Liero
- OpenLiero
- Liero Y (for any number/year/date Y)
- Liero Piuha - was pelya's favorite  :'(

Here is a very rough list of suggestions. I just copied&pasted some of them here. The order here is completly random (just in the way I browsed through the thread)! If you found that an important suggestion is missing here, please say so.

- Liero Evolution - all devs agree on that to be subtitle, like XXX: Liero Evolution. Could become the main title.
- Glista - parasitic worm, but we still not rejected that name
- Blastiny - pelya's favorite, okay for Run, too serious for DC but acceptable, other devs undecided
- Ascaris - parasitic worm, but we still not rejected that name
- War Grounds - The Liero Evolution - too long for pelya, albert: War Grounds as it is a bit too general, both together are too long
- Guerrilla - sounds like gorilla for DC, others undecided
- Guerrilla Warfare - sounds like gorilla and is too long for DC, others undecided
- Earthworm Carnage - too long for DC, others undecided
- Liero Resurrection - Liero never actually died, did it? ;), too long for albert
- Liero Worlds - stolen from TeeWorlds, DC doesn't like stealing (albert: the sheme * Worlds is also not invented by TeeWorlds)
- Liero Battlefield - too long for DC, too less creative for albert, others undecided
- Swormed - too simple for pelya and DC, okay for Run
- Wormish - inferior to Swormed
- Wormod - inferior to Swormed
- Wormania - inferior to Swormed
- Wormfare - inferior to Swormed
- Wormiors - inferior to Swormed
- Wormface - inferior to Swormed
- Wormage - DC likes that, pelya doesn't
- Wyrm - inferior to Swormed, looks like a typo for albert
- Guns'n'Worms - pelya, DC and albert don't like it
- Insects Online - too long for DC, albert: I never saw insects (=flies, spiders, bees and such) in OLX, others undecided
- Beta

Some other questions which are not really that sure yet:

- Should the name "Liero" be included or not. It has the drawback of being a word that nobody understands. But it has a very strong meaning because it says about the history of the game. In the end, this question will probably be just decided by the name itself. We are not excluding all names containing "Liero".

- Should we have a subtitle. Most people liked the idea but of course it's not a must. You also have to take into account that the name should also be ok if you leave the subtitle away.

- How brutal should the name be. Or better, where is the limit. If we want to see OLX on a CD of a game magazine, some of the more brutal names will probably make that impossible. So please cut out all parasitic worm names, like Ascaris.

- Should a worm still be the main character? Should we have a main character at all? (This is not a question about how many skins we have which are all much different from that - but more if we would like to have some main character.) If not, what should our new logo look like? Our game symbol? So probably, to avoid all this new problems, we will just stay with worms (or similar).


Original post:

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Hey, we wanted to rename OpenLieroX to something that's easier to pronounce for a long time, however it appeared that some of devs don't like name "Hirudo".
Run proposed name "Swormed", which definitely sounds better.
We may also try to convince Joosa Riekkinen to give us the name "Liero" which both sounds good and has an epic history from year 1999, but most probably he'll decline.

Also you may propose your own variants. ( I thought about "Helminth" but it's too brutal )

Also someone (preferably Raziel) should make a new GFX for it:

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh163/_pelya/lierox.png)

(http://i256.photobucket.com/albums/hh163/_pelya/top_bar.png)

little admin edit: Probably better to call this the suggestions thread. every suggestion will be added and the most popular 6 or so get voted on in a new thread.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: miri on May 09, 2009, 12:27:30 pm
Swormed sounds okay.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hatten on May 09, 2009, 12:34:30 pm
liero>hirudo>swormed>olx


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 09, 2009, 12:36:49 pm
IMO swormed sounds best, but it's easiest to keep Liero..
it's most known..


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 09, 2009, 01:00:18 pm
I doubt we'll be allowed to change name to Liero, but we'll try to contact author.
Also will be nice to implement mod that would behave exactly like original Liero - with new mod engine that should become possible soon, so we will have something to brag about at least, like "total Liero v1.33 feel and support". Maybe we'll even add an option for mod writers to disable shooting through walls 8) .


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 09, 2009, 01:20:50 pm
How did you get the idea to reuse Liero name? This isn't the same game!!! Off course he won't permit to do it, and it would be way too confusing.

Also, to people that don't live in the North and don't know this type of game,  Liero doesn't sound familiar at all.

Swormed is a mix of Armed, worm and swarmed. It's quite easy to remember, and nothing like it exists yet. Hirudo has the big disadvantage that domain names are all taken.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: *Gyogyi* on May 09, 2009, 01:33:15 pm
What ever will be the final name, Liero or lierox must be included.

That has some history, and thats a real advantage.

Asking Joosa Riekkinen is worth a try. Eventough these two lieros would be different it wouldnt cause any trouble because of the really noticeable differences ;)

I believe he would even be happy that his original idea have become to something great like this one :)

Using a totally different name would be the worst we could do because how would outsiders whove just heard about liero what the newest version's name is ?



Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Ruki on May 09, 2009, 01:36:41 pm
Think of all the Liero communities. How would they accept that? They wouldn't. It would be silly to name it Liero, it is not an updated version of it, it is a total modification.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: SorZ on May 09, 2009, 01:45:42 pm
I agree with Gyogyi -
whatever the name will be, it should include Liero or LieroX.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 09, 2009, 01:48:41 pm
outsiders don't just hear from Liero. That name is vanishing. How many people are still playing it? It has only meaning to a small group which is getting smaller. Try to think about new potential players instead of oldies.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: *Gyogyi* on May 09, 2009, 02:04:57 pm
I agree with you ruki even if I wrote something different earlier.

I will still stick to that the word liero is a good one in itself already, so that should be a part of the final name.

And if we take a look on that its the 10 years anniversary the game's name could be LieroX Millenium Edition.

People would probably use the LXM shortened version, which IMO sounds fairly well.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 09, 2009, 02:07:29 pm
and if we call it Liero II ?  ;D


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: DarkCharlie on May 09, 2009, 02:40:05 pm
and if we call it Liero II ?  ;D

Or Liero X ? ;D


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hugglebunny on May 09, 2009, 02:45:18 pm
LXM sound cool  8)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 09, 2009, 03:02:47 pm
I don't want to include any dates in the name, sounds lame for me plus what if we'll release Beta9 in year 2010? (which is not that much impossible  ::) )
I'll add LXM to the poll, and remove Liero option, but plz think up some another variant which includes Liero name. Why not LieroY or LieroZ? Oh, 1i3r0 is okay too :P Or maybe LieroNet, which should denote that it's the only version that has decent networking and multiplayer support. Or to keep it Finnish, LieroPiuha ;D it sounds the best! (had to google for online vocabulary for that, suomi people plz don't laugh on me).

Oh, also I've reset votes, 'cause Liero variant had the most votes.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Flare on May 09, 2009, 03:19:28 pm
I agree with Gyogyi -
whatever the name will be, it should include Liero or LieroX.

I agree with both of you. Maybe there is no many "oldschool" LX players left, but those who still plays active or not, name "LieroX" is "important" for them, and im one of those.

Name "Hiduro" sounds stupid imo, like does "Swormed."

And for those who doesnt know what "Liero Piuha" means, Piuha = Cabel. O,o


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: fr33 on May 09, 2009, 03:20:35 pm
Id like liero included in the name, ex. LieroX millenium, LieroX Online, but im not going to cry if not
hehee Liero Piuha  :D
piuha=wire, not net
net=verkko


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Nets on May 09, 2009, 03:37:44 pm
Pixel Wars - that would be the right name for it :)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 09, 2009, 03:42:45 pm
i still like Liero II xD


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Ruki on May 09, 2009, 03:43:06 pm
When you are deciding about the name take into the account that you should also consider it from wider perspective not just your own. You know the game under LieroXtreme or LieroX, or maybe you are too young for that so you know it under OpenLieroX or OLX. See, there was a change already and before that there was LieroX Pro and there could also be LieroX Enhanced... We would all like to see the word LieroX remain, as we are used to it, we grew up with it. However, this word has no meaning for new commers. Neither Liero Millenium Edition, neither Liero MMVCIDXIII or something else like that.

There should be an appealing name chosen for new commers.

I hope you agree that it doesn't matter what name it has for us, who already are in the community. What would be the point of changing the name for us!? We could remain with OpenLieroX for ever and that would be it, all happy. We are changing it with a bigger view, to get more people attracted into it and for sure we won't do that by naming it Liero. Those few nostalgics will join anyway.

I voted for OpenLieroX the first time but I'll vote for Swormed now. Unless there is no new suggestions it should be called either Hirudo or Swormed. What would be the point of changing the name from OpenLieroX into SomethingLieroSomething??? As I already said, ask yourself why we need or want a change in the first place. New commers.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Nets on May 09, 2009, 03:48:35 pm
i think i just got flamed at , politely  ??? anyway i just gave a opinion to tag along with this topic.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 09, 2009, 03:49:28 pm
to add to Ruki: whatever you append to liero it sounds silly IMO. Liero in itself was a nice name, Liero Xtreme already sounds silly as hell!

Gusanos code is now added to LX to create many new modding possibilities. Liero Xtreme name isnt popular at all anymore amongst modders - they all left to gusanos camp ages ago.

Now is the possibility to create a new name, and attract people to the game that wouldn't have bothered with something called "Liero *whatever* enhanced pro".


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: fr33 on May 09, 2009, 03:54:32 pm
Changed my vote when i tought again


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 09, 2009, 04:10:36 pm
Some alternatives:

Wormod (combination of Worm + Mod)
Wormish (combination of Worm + Skirmish)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 09, 2009, 04:13:46 pm
are you going to call the new version b9 or are you giving it the new name?  (example "Swormed (v1)" instead of "Swormed b9")
because if we change the name, we should start from 0 with the betas imo..

--

and imo "Sworm" or just "Swarm" sound better than swormed..


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Nets on May 09, 2009, 04:14:10 pm
Wormania (Worm + Mania)

original idea from a race game (Track Mania)

(imo , both - grammar and spelling sounds great.)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 09, 2009, 04:22:26 pm
Showorm - show+worm
SloWorms - slow + worm  ::)
Wormix - worm + mix
wormup


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hawk on May 09, 2009, 04:26:44 pm
ClosenLieroX (get it?)
Megaliero
CounterLiero  :D


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 09, 2009, 04:29:39 pm
From the current ones LieroPiuha definitely has my vote, it's just absurd enough to go well along with the game. Swormed is not at all bad either.

Hirudo could be cool, as far as I know it is Latin for 'leech'. This made me think of some other words from different languages that could be useful. Like the word 'worm' in various languages: Vermis in Latin, Rhomos in Ancient Greek, Wyrm in Old English and so on. Something could be worked out of those.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Thor on May 09, 2009, 04:31:27 pm
LieroPiuha gets my vote too, it's an excellent name.

But IMO LieroXtreme Pro would be the best. =)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 09, 2009, 04:38:06 pm
nice sakmongkol!
Wyrm is cool imo


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 09, 2009, 04:43:44 pm
the thread is now changed into a suggestions thread, so we'll add all viable suggestions to the list. Top 6 will be voted on in a new thread.

viable means:
-domain names are available
-has some association with little armed creatures
-max 2 words (to keep it catchy).
-international appeal

objections?

please come with ONE suggestion at a time, and put some thought in it before suggesting. 


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: DarkCharlie on May 09, 2009, 05:10:39 pm
But IMO LieroXtreme Pro would be the best. =)

I'm the owner of that name and I don't permit it  :P

To keep it running, my suggestions:

Worm-like names: (it's good to choose one of these because of new players & google)
WormHunter
WormWars
Worm Fighters
Wormagedons
Wormalizer
Wormix
Wormurders
Worm Shooters
Wormy
Wormal
Wormiors
World of Worms (that collides with World of Warcraft though)
Worm Snipers
Wormfire

Liero-like ones:
LieroDeep
World of Liero
LieroFire
Liero Next
Liero Underground
Liero Aim
DotLiero

Other ones:
Holez
Ground Shooters
Hookers

Some not-so-serious ones :) :
Free-Online-Game-Worms (to be on top of google searches  ;D)
WormsEx (people search for that even more often  ;D)
Worm Cracks, Keygens and Serials
Worm FREE


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 09, 2009, 05:21:49 pm
Hirudo is, was and will always be the best name for this game.

There is no reason to cling on to LieroX for longer. It may remind us of good times, but it will hurt the game in the end.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: miri on May 09, 2009, 05:23:52 pm
Insects Online


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: 'KJack.mp3 on May 09, 2009, 06:11:35 pm
I suggest Wormfare, like warfare :)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 09, 2009, 06:37:33 pm
Anyone who voted for "LieroPiuha", what will that mean to non Finnish speakers? Do you think it will appeal to people that don't speak Finnish?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Erwan on May 09, 2009, 06:38:17 pm
What mean 'Piuha'?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 09, 2009, 06:38:59 pm
What mean 'Piuha'?

proves the point ehh...


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Asrack on May 09, 2009, 06:42:20 pm
Wormiors!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 09, 2009, 06:42:57 pm
can't you reset the votes, and disable voting untill all suggestions are standing?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 09, 2009, 06:46:27 pm
can't you reset the votes, and disable voting untill all suggestions are standing?

yes, that's a good point :)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 09, 2009, 07:15:15 pm
i like DC's "Holez"
can you add it?  ::)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 09, 2009, 07:31:46 pm
i like DC's "Holez"
can you add it?  ::)

yep!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hostile on May 09, 2009, 07:36:33 pm
I think LieroPiuha sounds pretty awesome.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 09, 2009, 07:37:17 pm
Creeps sounds cool :)
is the domain available?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hatten on May 09, 2009, 07:51:07 pm
Creeps sounds cool :)
is the domain available?
check yourself maybe?
www.creeps.net


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Erwan on May 09, 2009, 07:52:52 pm
proves the point ehh...
Nah, I come from France, I aint finish speaker.
I want just know why the guys who understand that like that.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 09, 2009, 07:53:54 pm
I think there are beginning to be too many suggestions already. This way the votes are likely to scatter a lot and it might be difficult for one clear winner to stand out.

Also in addition to the requirements already mentioned by Run (though I'd still prefer association with worms instead of just any little creatures), I think there should be some 'deeper' meaning or a clever wordplay or something behind the name. Not just a little creature in plural, and definitely not the word Liero or LieroX with just some new words or letters attached to it. So far, I think Swormed and Wormfare are the best candidates, and even those could perhaps be perfected in some way.

But I will continue to vote for LieroPiuha if you don't remove it from the poll. Seriously now xD.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hawk on May 09, 2009, 07:56:42 pm
Piuha means Cabel


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 09, 2009, 08:08:10 pm
Also in addition to the requirements already mentioned by Run (though I'd still prefer association with worms instead of just any little creatures), I think there should be some 'deeper' meaning or a clever wordplay or something behind the name.
hmm why worms?
maybe 2% of us are using worm-skins.. right? there even are more Ninja-skins..
worms would've fit some years ago, but today we're all using different creatures..

but you're right with that name thing. It should be something unique with a deeper meaning.

Wormod, wyrm and Holez are my favourites :)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Asrack on May 09, 2009, 08:42:24 pm
Liero Online is another idea that lets people know that the game is a Liero Clone.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: miri on May 09, 2009, 09:06:16 pm
I suggest Wormfare, like warfare :)

That's good indeed. I'll vote for this one unless somebody posts a magnificent name!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: [leke]GrassNinja on May 09, 2009, 09:12:12 pm
I think we should keep "Liero" somewhere in the name, since the game was built up on top of the old Liero. (As far as I know :o)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hatten on May 09, 2009, 09:13:27 pm
wgafwtgic!
Who gives a **** what this game is called!
j/k
Sexy Worms Online Rampaging in Mods, Extremely Deadly!
SWORMED!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 09, 2009, 09:34:45 pm
hmm why worms?

Simply to keep the original association with worms, yet without necessarily sticking to the ancient name Liero. I think there is really no need to keep Liero in the name anymore, but keeping the worm-theme would be a small way of paying homage to the game's origins. And the default skin still depicts a worm. :P

Right now Wormfare is my favorite also, but to make sure it's original, it could be spelt Wyrmfare or maybe Wurmfare. :D


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Ruki on May 09, 2009, 09:54:52 pm
Nah, I come from France, I aint finish speaker.
I want just know why the guys who understand that like that.
That is why it proves the point. You have no idea what it means, just like majority of people who will hear about it won't have.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Reclip on May 09, 2009, 10:30:11 pm
Liero Sophisticated  8)

English <-> Finnish
Worm <-> Liero/Mato


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Flare on May 09, 2009, 10:38:17 pm
My early vote goes for Liero Piuha !


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: MissingNo. on May 09, 2009, 10:54:39 pm
Would the fact that it's open source mean anything to new people? If so, open could possibly stay in the name. IMO, the name really doesn't reflect how the game really is. I'm not sure how this is a big todo.  ::)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 09, 2009, 11:09:26 pm
Linux is also opensource. Distributions of Linux (like Ubuntu) Usually are called Ubuntu, so even if we're based on Liero, have the sourcecode of LieroX as a base and are an opensource program, there is no need to carry either of the names in the title. Should all close sourced programs have "closed" in the name? Should "GNU" be in the name?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: MissingNo. on May 09, 2009, 11:11:54 pm
Nah, it was just a suggestion/question. I was just asking because LX isn't extremely well-known, unlike your suggestion.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Benn0 on May 09, 2009, 11:16:10 pm
hmm why worms?
maybe 2% of us are using worm-skins.. right? there even are more Ninja-skins..
worms would've fit some years ago, but today we're all using different creatures..
You might aswell ask why the STALKER-franchise isn't called "Masterchief in Russia" as you might aswell turn every character and abnormality into a Spartan.

FYI, there is already a game called Worms. The game that provided the base for MoleZ which inspired a certain person to create Liero. Thus Liero evolution consists of 3 different stages with two and a half different holedigging characters. I would refrain from using a name that directly consists of worms due to the Worms-franchise.

I don't think there are that many games which names doesn't reflect something in the game. STALKER lets you play as one of many Stalkers in the Zone and Halo takes place on, well a halo. LieroX is, and has always been about worms blowing eachother up, thus there is no idea in leaving the "small digging character"-theme.

Names that should be avoided are names with excessive X,Y or Z. They just sound incredibly lame and aren't very likely to inspire our everyday Joe to check out the game. The second nono is numbers, LieroX 2 or Liero II aren't either very likely to get much attention. If you haven't heard about the first then chances are that you won't  bother checking out the sequel.

Liero Online is imo. opinion the only form of Liero that could be used if you aren't keeping OLX (Open Liero would work better). Then again, it does somehow sound like a MMORPG as most halfassed MMO:s are named "-blablabla- Online.

What a name needs to be is pronounceable in English. Pihua works for me as I speak Finnish, but I doubt that an English speaker will get it somewhat right just like that. Hirudo is a great name, but maybe not to suitable due to domains. But it's always possible to stick with Latin and use something like helminthes .


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 09, 2009, 11:51:12 pm
What a name needs to be is pronounceable in English.
I'm not really sure if this statement is valid. I mean, is this really the case with Liero? So far, I think Liero has worked well despite being Finnish. And for Latin names, I doubt a native English speaker can really pronounce them quite correctly either. That probably goes for the majority of the community though.

Also I don't quite understand the problem with the letters X, Y and Z either. They are just letters among others after all, and how they 'sound' should not be a problem as no-one is going to read them out loud for you when you're looking at the game's website (I believe). For me personally, the ugly letter L that begins the word Liero is a lot less appealing than either of the aforementioned ones.

But definitely Z is lame when used as a replacement for S in the end of a plural word.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: SteelSide on May 10, 2009, 12:06:27 am
WHAAAAAAAAAHAHAAH INSECTS ONLINE. That gets my vote anyday, such a win name. Sounds like an online version of "A bug's life".


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 10, 2009, 01:45:28 am
I think we should keep "Liero" somewhere in the name, since the game was built up on top of the old Liero. (As far as I know :o)

It was build on top of LieroX, not on top of Liero. Nothing can be build on top on Liero as that source code is lost.

That is why I thought in the beginning that OpenLieroX is a pretty straight forward name. :) Whereby I would have been fine also with a name which just contains Liero (but the name OpenLiero was already taken).

Anyway, I am open to a name change. But I would also prefer a name which has some meening somehow. Or the name should be very easy to remember. It should not feel like a name which was randomly made up. Whereby this is perhaps not possible, probably every new name feels like that.

Perhaps "Liero Worlds"?

I think the game shouldn't sound agressive (or try to sound like something super uber cool; I don't like arrogance). I would rather vote for some funny name, which somehow gives the impression that this is a funny game.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 10, 2009, 02:04:18 am
Would the fact that it's open source mean anything to new people? If so, open could possibly stay in the name. IMO, the name really doesn't reflect how the game really is. I'm not sure how this is a big todo.  ::)

At least for me, it does. :)

But it's not necessary. And I doubt that there is a funny/crazy name with sounds still nice with open in it.

But..., perhaps OpenWorms ? Ah no, that name is also taken: http://code.google.com/p/openworms/ (Don't understand a word...)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Reclip on May 10, 2009, 02:31:28 am
At least for me, it does. :)

But it's not necessary. And I doubt that there is a funny/crazy name with sounds still nice with open in it.

But..., perhaps OpenWorms ? Ah no, that name is also taken: http://code.google.com/p/openworms/ (Don't understand a word...)

OpenLiero? just remove that stupid X :D


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Ahmed on May 10, 2009, 02:35:03 am
Liero infinitum - English: Liero Infinity
Liero Resurrection


Personally I don't think anything that has the english word "worms" is a good choice because most of the skins people use are not of worms. Kind of deceitful. I understand Liero is related to the word worm in some way but really at least you wouldn't think that unless you actually knew the language.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 10, 2009, 02:59:47 am
OpenLiero? just remove that stupid X :D

This is OpenLiero: http://open.liero.be/


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 10, 2009, 04:15:45 am
I'm still for Hirudo, but here's a few latin suggesions that I have.

Eximo (Means to free)

Tu Eximo (means You to free)

Amor Ex Vermo (means Love of worms)

They may be a little too latin to use though...


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 10, 2009, 04:27:35 am
"worms" has a natural association with this type of game. that is because most popular variants were made up of worms.

Then, if we want the association but don't want to be stuck to worms only, Wormish could work (for me it does).

But it is becoming a different game, and physics will be based on gusanos. Liero itself was based on MoleZ as already mentioned, so if you want to stay true to the original then you should *definitely* include MoleZ as well.. and the original worms off course..

MoleZ & Gusanos & Liero & Worms Ultimate Millenium pro edition?

or

MGLWUMPE. sounds like we have found our name!

Using Liero in the name would actually seem like going back, since Liero Xtreme was already a world apart from it (not saying that it was an improvement on all fronts, but it allowed for modern netplay and much more configuation/modding). So do we want to move forward or reuse the name of a 10 year old game.

@Gaston: none of these suggestions really match the criteria (one consists of 3 words, others don't have any association with the game type).. unless you suggest we change the criteria?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: joni on May 10, 2009, 09:02:15 am
I don't see why openlierox should be renamed to a latin name?
I'd rather change it to some... simple name, that would call up players, name should be at the sametime telling about the game.

So I gave my vote for keeping it openlierox.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Nets on May 10, 2009, 09:40:14 am
i got it! it's 10:26 am and..

Guns'n'Worms , Wormified , Wormfire (worm+crossfire) , Worms&friends , Worm World , Warms (wa/or(ms) , Battleworms , Small but Armed , Wormphine (worm+morphine) , Reptilez , Dig and Shoot , Transwormers... - ok as you can see i went a little overboard.

Maybe theres a name in this list?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 10, 2009, 09:47:26 am
Swarm out  (free domain- http://www.swarmout.net/) (or maybe Sworm out? ;) )

Wormface  (free domain- http://www.wormface.net/)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Nets on May 10, 2009, 09:54:14 am
swarm eh? then we probably make this game popular http://www.download-free-games.com/arcade_game_download/swarm.htm


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 10, 2009, 10:10:44 am
Swarm out/Sworm out isn't the same name..
but if it's too equal we should remove swormed too, huh?
oh and we couldn't use the word worm either, cus there is already a game called Worms ;)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hawk on May 10, 2009, 03:36:37 pm
Liero Unlimited
Super liero
Xtreme Liero


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: [leke]GrassNinja on May 10, 2009, 03:38:31 pm
Xtreme Liero

Omg, how creative... what about Xtreme Liero Open?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Rakkula on May 10, 2009, 03:39:08 pm
Keep the old name. This game is styled like Liero and imo you should keep the name like that. It'd be weird to change a name that has been around for a decade


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hawk on May 10, 2009, 04:57:59 pm
i like old name but giving some suggestions if they gonna change it  ;)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 10, 2009, 05:52:29 pm
WormAge!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hugglebunny on May 10, 2009, 06:17:43 pm
WormAge!
i like that... Best so far


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 10, 2009, 07:46:18 pm
Really, there are way too many suggestions without much thought behind them at all. I think a Latin name could be cool, but in that case it should be at least made sure that the grammar is somewhat correct.

Eximo (Means to free)
Eximo is the first-person singular present active indicative. The present active infinitive would be 'eximere'. Still, at least my dictionary gives the most important meaning as 'to separate' instead of 'to free' The best translation for 'to free' would perhaps be liberare. Not a good one in my opinion.

Tu Eximo (means You to free)
The previous point is valid here also. Tu eximo would literally mean 'you I free', tu being the nominative, and that would make no sense.

Amor Ex Vermo (means Love of worms)
I honestly don't know what case 'vermo' could be, but that would be closest in meaning to 'love from worm(s?)'. Love of worms could be best translated as 'amor vermium'.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: miri on May 10, 2009, 08:02:38 pm
Amor Vermium is also pretty cool.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Calvi on May 10, 2009, 08:32:18 pm
In my humble opinion :
"LieroX Millenium Edition" sounds like the game was made in 2000...

I don't like so much :  "Insects Online", "Guns'n'Worms" (good band, but we are not supposed to be a community full of Guns'n'roses aficionados, i suppose).


After reading more or less closely the propositions in the topic, i think DC's idea "Wormageddon" sounds pretty good for a game name. Hirudo is nice too, such as Swormed..


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 10, 2009, 08:43:43 pm
After reading more or less closely the propositions in the topic, i think DC's idea "Wormageddon" sounds pretty good for a game name. Hirudo is nice too, such as Swormed..

I'm really not sure about Wormageddon. I don't know if it's just me, but I immediately think Worms Armageddon when I see that. If we have to go that way (having the actual word 'worm' in the name), I think Wormfare would work better. It's a little more original perhaps.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Nets on May 10, 2009, 08:51:14 pm
I don't know if it's just me, but I immediately think Worms Armageddon when I see that.

same here.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: IRC on May 10, 2009, 08:52:00 pm
Wormage ftw, if u gonna change, else OpenLieroX


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 10, 2009, 08:54:43 pm
I also like Wormageddon. Not sure though if we get perhaps problems with Team17 (do they have a trademark on Worms Armageddon?).

After everybody has written his ideas here, I suggest that we create a new thread were we make a pre selection of the best in here. Because here is just too much trash between some good suggestions. :)



Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Calvi on May 10, 2009, 08:58:36 pm
After dinner, I just had a last idea :

Liero Battlefield

As the other ones, you could also use Worms Battlefield.

About the latin names, i'm not sure they would fit to a game like liero...

EDIT :

Liero Combat
Liero Opposition
Liero Struggle


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 10, 2009, 09:37:53 pm
latin names could be cool, but then it should be a phrase with like 3-4 words and we could use the first letters to build the games name.

oh and pls add WormAge to the poll =)



Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 10, 2009, 09:50:45 pm
Wormage is the best sounding English suggestion I've heard so far. My Latin grammar skill is non-existant, but "Amor Vermium" doesn't sound too bad to me. With the short name "AV" which doesn't sound too bad when pronounced "Ai Vee".


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 10, 2009, 09:58:05 pm
Wormage is the best sounding English suggestion I've heard so far. My Latin grammar skill is non-existant, but "Amor Vermium" doesn't sound too bad to me. With the short name "AV" which doesn't sound too bad when pronounced "Ai Vee".

Yeah and AV also means Adult Video, that could be a good way to top the searches! 8)

But a little more seriously, I personally don't think the word 'amor' quite fits in this game. :D


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: T-Bag on May 10, 2009, 10:11:48 pm

OpenLieroX is fine, leave it


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 10, 2009, 10:25:05 pm
poll is updated with all useful suggestions. maybe we can start voting tomorrow and then take the best 6 or so and have a new (longer) poll with them.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: DarkCharlie on May 11, 2009, 12:32:18 am
Make it possible to vote for more than one suggestion please (in the first round).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wooper on May 11, 2009, 12:43:55 am
Wormage sounds excellent, it surely would make the game more popular.  ;)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Cloud on May 11, 2009, 12:50:34 am
I think LieroX should also be an option.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wander on May 11, 2009, 01:11:36 am
I think LieroX should also be an option.
Yeah so did i until i read the thread.

Anyway, the best suggestions i've heard so far are WormAge and Wormfare. There were some other ones that were quite neat, but most of your suggestions are crap! :-[
No i don't have any good suggestions either
 :P


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Cloud on May 11, 2009, 01:16:25 am
Maybe we can do voting in phases. We have a 3 day span to vote, and after that day, the 2 names which got the lowest votes are eliminated, then the voting is started from default, and we do that until there is only one level left.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Rakkula on May 11, 2009, 10:11:08 am
None of the name suggestions is better than Liero in my opinion.

Naming a stupid game like this in Latin is really ridiculous... I mean, just think about it. How does Latin fit in Liero? WormAge has no point imo. Actually, i just think someone copied WormRage and simply removed R from it etc. etc.

Why ruin the old name that has been around for a decade? Imo, Liero has deserved a right not to be name-raped like this.

Someone said this game isn't liero anymore. I can't disagree more... this is still liero, simply an improved version of it.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hugglebunny on May 11, 2009, 10:39:45 am
None of the name suggestions is better than Liero in my opinion.

Naming a stupid game like this in Latin is really ridiculous... I mean, just think about it. How does Latin fit in Liero? WormAge has no point imo. Actually, i just think someone copied WormRage and simply removed R from it etc. etc.

Why ruin the old name that has been around for a decade? Imo, Liero has deserved a right not to be name-raped like this.

Someone said this game isn't liero anymore. I can't disagree more... this is still liero, simply an improved version of it.
You played the orginal version of liero?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hawk on May 11, 2009, 12:17:19 pm
if liero is the original name of the game so why to not use it?

suggestion with liero:

LieroMafia


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 11, 2009, 12:39:26 pm
None of the name suggestions is better than Liero in my opinion.

Naming a stupid game like this in Latin is really ridiculous... I mean, just think about it. How does Latin fit in Liero? WormAge has no point imo. Actually, i just think someone copied WormRage and simply removed R from it etc. etc.

Why ruin the old name that has been around for a decade? Imo, Liero has deserved a right not to be name-raped like this.

Someone said this game isn't liero anymore. I can't disagree more... this is still liero, simply an improved version of it.


Sigh...

Liero was used for the original game, thus we cannot use the "best" name unless we get the permission from the original author, which I really doubt, seeing how he doesn't seem too fond of LX in the first place.

Jason wrote LX. He "owns" that name (at least if we're giving credit where credit is due).

OLX is just too long and carries too many names ain one. The code is removing itself quite a bit from LX, and the Beta 9 is significantly different to the original Liero.

A new name makes sense, and using non-english language is not that far-fetced seeing how "Liero" actually means "Earthworm" in english.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Raziel on May 11, 2009, 02:03:33 pm
Why was this topic even started? it was decided long ago that the alternative is Hirudo. End of story. We had long enough talks about it, really. Allowing everyone to decide is idiotic idea to begin with. You will have as many voices as many people on this forum, why to bring this confusion?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wooper on May 11, 2009, 04:25:06 pm
Why was this topic even started? it was decided long ago that the alternative is Hirudo. End of story. We had long enough talks about it, really. Allowing everyone to decide is idiotic idea to begin with. You will have as many voices as many people on this forum, why to bring this confusion?
I wasn't deciding it long time ago but lets just say:
1. What the h**l does it mean?
2. Is it Japanese? Doesn't fit in LX IMO.
3. Doesn't even sound cool at all.
4. There sure are better names.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: miri on May 11, 2009, 04:26:40 pm
Search Google Images.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 11, 2009, 04:33:01 pm
Why was this topic even started? it was decided long ago that the alternative is Hirudo. End of story. We had long enough talks about it, really. Allowing everyone to decide is idiotic idea to begin with. You will have as many voices as many people on this forum, why to bring this confusion?
i totally agree with wooper
+ voting like this is democratic, and the name with the most votes wins..so if hirudo is the best.. then it should get most votes.
but to just choose Hirudo isn't democratic.. it may be your favourite, but maybe 100 others hate it ;)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Reclip on May 11, 2009, 04:36:04 pm
Liero should really stay in name, something like: Liero Advanced


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: miri on May 11, 2009, 04:57:31 pm
i totally agree with wooper
+ voting like this is democratic, and the name with the most votes wins..so if hirudo is the best.. then it should get most votes.
but to just choose Hirudo isn't democratic.. it may be your favourite, but maybe 100 others hate it ;)


This is democracy. 100 other will hate the winning name anyway, whatever it may be.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Shade on May 11, 2009, 05:07:12 pm
I honestly don't see the point in changing the name of a game with such a big community like this..
Its like changing "Halo" to "Super Spartans"
Honestly.. why bother?

LieroX or OpenLieroX was I believe anyways.. was meant to stick.
It was already decided a while back that the name would be Hirudo,
it shouldn't be up for topic repeatedly just cause some nub has a problem with the name.
If they want it renamed they can edit their own damned config files..

If it was up to me in the first place, I would have gone for something much more appropriate..
Something like "Battlecry" its simple and catchy.
But then it wasn't up to me, it was those highly regarded people who actually have the brains to use such programs like mIRC..  ::)
I respect their decision whether they still be here or retired.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Raziel on May 11, 2009, 05:20:55 pm
I wasn't deciding it long time ago but lets just say:
1. What the h**l does it mean?
2. Is it Japanese? Doesn't fit in LX IMO.
3. Doesn't even sound cool at all.
4. There sure are better names.

fine person.
PS, define meaning of "cool" in the way you see it, once you will learn other words than actually "cool" that is.

Quote
i totally agree with wooper
+ voting like this is democratic, and the name with the most votes wins..so if hirudo is the best.. then it should get most votes.
but to just choose Hirudo isn't democratic.. it may be your favourite, but maybe 100 others hate it

You guys are a great match.

Keep the democracy for adult and reasonable people, so let's say 20+
Keep the democracy for people who are involved somehow in this what is going to be done. Random moron screaming "Hey, it's not cool at all" should be bashed, smashed, and banned from the community. So Raz says.
Keep the democracy for useless long disputes between hundreds of unaware creatures, who like to think they are important to the world and their way of ninja is the right one.

Seriosuly, the Hirudo name was chosen by people who spent the hudnreds of hours on the code and still work on it. If for some reason they dislike it now, then the new name shouldn't be picked through the voting of the mass. I will laugh my ass off if some idiotic WormAgeDone, which is soooooooooooo original, will win the voting (and seeing the people who draw attention in this thread, it's a big possibility). The thread might work well as "Hey people, give us some ideas and inspiration for new name", that's it.

Original idea, funny or mysterious, something that can be remembered easily and something that doesnt sound like 5 other games. Sorry, but all the other suggestions are pathetic. People here say "Oh yes, with this cool name we will conquer the world! It certainly will get more popular!1!!". My ass it will. The game itself must be worth attention, people playing it must be worth to be companions, and then comes A-D-V-E-R-T-I-S-I-N-G. I can see Wooper making in powerpaint banner with big fat arial font saying WORMAGE. People will see it, and what will they think? "Oh cool, another worm based games. Boring".

It's a really long story, this is why I'm surprised somebody came up with this annoying topic again, in public. I'm pretty much done here, just wanted to point, that if the name will not have my approval, it will defintiely fail. Terribly.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: SorZ on May 11, 2009, 05:31:29 pm
I like Liero Xtreme, really.
But if the game should change name, I think Hirudo is the best choice.
It's way nicer than any other example given, in my opinion.

Hirudo.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 11, 2009, 05:42:01 pm
I also think Hirudo is still the best candidate for a new name, but I understood there were some problems with domain name availability? This should not be overlooked, I think it's important to have a sensible domain name with the game's name in it.

But of course, if the developers believe the fact that domain names are taken is not a big obstacle for renaming the game Hirudo, there should be no voting at all. But if it's just that some devs don't like the name, these suggestions and votings aren't really going to solve the problem, only make it worse. I would guess the majority of the community will dislike the new name either way.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 11, 2009, 05:48:22 pm
fine person.
PS, define meaning of "cool" in the way you see it, once you will learn other words than actually "cool" that is.

You guys are a great match.

Keep the democracy for adult and reasonable people, so let's say 20+
Keep the democracy for people who are involved somehow in this what is going to be done. Random moron screaming "Hey, it's not cool at all" should be bashed, smashed, and banned from the community. So Raz says.
Keep the democracy for useless long disputes between hundreds of unaware creatures, who like to think they are important to the world and their way of ninja is the right one.

Seriosuly, the Hirudo name was chosen by people who spent the hudnreds of hours on the code and still work on it. If for some reason they dislike it now, then the new name shouldn't be picked through the voting of the mass. I will laugh my ass off if some idiotic WormAgeDone, which is soooooooooooo original, will win the voting (and seeing the people who draw attention in this thread, it's a big possibility). The thread might work well as "Hey people, give us some ideas and inspiration for new name", that's it.

Original idea, funny or mysterious, something that can be remembered easily and something that doesnt sound like 5 other games. Sorry, but all the other suggestions are pathetic. People here say "Oh yes, with this cool name we will conquer the world! It certainly will get more popular!1!!". My ass it will. The game itself must be worth attention, people playing it must be worth to be companions, and then comes A-D-V-E-R-T-I-S-I-N-G. I can see Wooper making in powerpaint banner with big fat arial font saying WORMAGE. People will see it, and what will they think? "Oh cool, another worm based games. Boring".

It's a really long story, this is why I'm surprised somebody came up with this annoying topic again, in public. I'm pretty much done here, just wanted to point, that if the name will not have my approval, it will defintiely fail. Terribly.
i didn't say that i dislike Hirudo. (actually i like it, but i think that it might be hard to remember for new people.. )

the question is- should we vote for this in public, or should 2-4 devs decide.. ofc you devs are doing a great job with the OLX development (thank you for that guys), but that doesn't mean that you'll find better names for this game.
the democratic voting has often showed that it's the better way to decide more or less importand things.
once Hitler thought that he was right too huh? ;)

lold at the sentence where you once again brang out how awesome your PS skills are and that wooper'd make a horrible front  :D


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: miri on May 11, 2009, 06:02:59 pm
Quote
i didn't say that i dislike Hirudo. (actually i like it, but i think that it might be hard to remember for new people.. )


That is a huge pile of bullshit.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 11, 2009, 06:22:38 pm

That is a huge pile of bullshit.
and that is mature  :)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: MissingNo. on May 11, 2009, 07:26:09 pm
I think Hirudo is a great name if it's gonna be changed. I hate to be a spoilsport but there appears to be a project out there already named Hirudo, though it is around 3-4 years old.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/hirudo/


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 11, 2009, 08:19:17 pm
I think Hirudo is a great name if it's gonna be changed. I hate to be a spoilsport but there appears to be a project out there already named Hirudo, though it is around 3-4 years old.
http://freshmeat.net/projects/hirudo/

Haha. Well, I wonder that nobody has ever checked that. In that case, probably noone would confuse a Java Swing application for leeching Web content with a Liero clone, but I would highly vote for a name which is not used by another project (whereby this has become harder nowadays).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Calvi on May 11, 2009, 09:03:32 pm
(+suggestion : Hirudo Battlefield)

If you want to make a poll, I think you should make it with message votes (like the clan vote thread way). Else, it may generate fake accounts...


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wooper on May 11, 2009, 09:22:24 pm
fine person.
PS, define meaning of "cool" in the way you see it, once you will learn other words than actually "cool" that is.

You guys are a great match.

Keep the democracy for adult and reasonable people, so let's say 20+
Keep the democracy for people who are involved somehow in this what is going to be done. Random moron screaming "Hey, it's not cool at all" should be bashed, smashed, and banned from the community. So Raz says.
Keep the democracy for useless long disputes between hundreds of unaware creatures, who like to think they are important to the world and their way of ninja is the right one.

Seriosuly, the Hirudo name was chosen by people who spent the hudnreds of hours on the code and still work on it. If for some reason they dislike it now, then the new name shouldn't be picked through the voting of the mass. I will laugh my ass off if some idiotic WormAgeDone, which is soooooooooooo original, will win the voting (and seeing the people who draw attention in this thread, it's a big possibility). The thread might work well as "Hey people, give us some ideas and inspiration for new name", that's it.

Original idea, funny or mysterious, something that can be remembered easily and something that doesnt sound like 5 other games. Sorry, but all the other suggestions are pathetic. People here say "Oh yes, with this cool name we will conquer the world! It certainly will get more popular!1!!". My ass it will. The game itself must be worth attention, people playing it must be worth to be companions, and then comes A-D-V-E-R-T-I-S-I-N-G. I can see Wooper making in powerpaint banner with big fat arial font saying WORMAGE. People will see it, and what will they think? "Oh cool, another worm based games. Boring".

It's a really long story, this is why I'm surprised somebody came up with this annoying topic again, in public. I'm pretty much done here, just wanted to point, that if the name will not have my approval, it will defintiely fail. Terribly.
No need to start a war here, I just said my opnion...
Oh, and notice that Hirudo probably won't give any (positive) reaction to a new English-speaking gamer... At least not from my point of view.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: SorZ on May 11, 2009, 10:22:29 pm
What about something as Hirudo Xtreme / HirudoX to be 100% separated with that Java-Script thing?
And still at same time keep a little touche with current name.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Alcazalamander on May 12, 2009, 11:37:45 am
Loco Xtreme
Liero
Online
Coded
Open


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 12, 2009, 12:00:04 pm
Hey Raziel, I've started this topic, because I hoped that someone pulls out a better name than Hirudo. Despite of the voting results it still should be approved by Run, DC, Ruki, Albert and me in the order of vote importance (don't see much suggestions from Albert, and my futile attempts resulted in Liero Piuha, which sounds funny even for Russians, but won't fit serious project like OLX)
And if that won't happen we'll use Hirudo, which is most anticipated considering the quality of the names proposed.

Anyway, this thread will give our community that comfortable feeling that they can actually influence something in the development process.

Also note that I consider myself the one of "people who spent the hudnreds of hours on the code and still work on it", yet I don't have the slightest idea who and when picked up the name Hirudo.

Oh, and we won't keep OpenLieroX name, despite that you have the option in the poll. The reason why is because it's hard to remember, to pronounce and not catchy - DC told me about variants of pronouncing like "OpenLayaRox", and guys at Hackontest even messed up capitalization and wrote "OpenlieroX" or something like that on our T-Shirts.
So all your variants containing leet letters X and Z won't be considered. And cut out that Xtreme crap please.

As for English/non-English word, you may propose anything non-English, as long as it sounds good, I would actually prefer non-English word here.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Raziel on May 12, 2009, 01:41:50 pm
Hey Raziel, I've started this topic, because I hoped that someone pulls out a better name than Hirudo. Despite of the voting results it still should be approved by Run, DC, Ruki, Albert and me in the order of vote importance (don't see much suggestions from Albert, and my futile attempts resulted in Liero Piuha, which sounds funny even for Russians, but won't fit serious project like OLX)
And if that won't happen we'll use Hirudo, which is most anticipated considering the quality of the names proposed.

Anyway, this thread will give our community that comfortable feeling that they can actually influence something in the development process.

Also note that I consider myself the one of "people who spent the hudnreds of hours on the code and still work on it", yet I don't have the slightest idea who and when picked up the name Hirudo.

Oh, and we won't keep OpenLieroX name, despite that you have the option in the poll. The reason why is because it's hard to remember, to pronounce and not catchy - DC told me about variants of pronouncing like "OpenLayaRox", and guys at Hackontest even messed up capitalization and wrote "OpenlieroX" or something like that on our T-Shirts.
So all your variants containing leet letters X and Z won't be considered. And cut out that Xtreme crap please.

As for English/non-English word, you may propose anything non-English, as long as it sounds good, I would actually prefer non-English word here.

Alright, when you put it in this way, it makes more sense.

Hirudo was picked at the time, when you weren't around I think. Back then, we gathered those who were important to the community and let all of them decide on this matter, through many weeks of wondering/joking and finally deciding. If I recall it correctly, Run, Albert and DC were involved in it already and totally fed up with this. So I was. OLX is quite long story and had its early begining with LX Guardian patch, then some other updates a la LX Pro and in the end, it was supposed to be dropped and a new project should start, called Hirudo, with everything done from scratches. Seems the idea changed long ago though.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: miri on May 12, 2009, 02:13:47 pm
No need to start a war here, I just said my opnion...
Oh, and notice that Hirudo probably won't give any (positive) reaction to a new English-speaking gamer... At least not from my point of view.


To be honest, neither does Liero. Especially Open Liero Xtreme.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wooper on May 12, 2009, 02:41:57 pm

To be honest, neither does Liero. Especially Open Liero Xtreme.
That's why I was voting for Wormage. ;)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 12, 2009, 02:44:11 pm
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No need to start a war here, I just said my opnion...
Oh, and notice that Hirudo probably won't give any (positive) reaction to a new English-speaking gamer... At least not from my point of view.
To be honest, neither does Liero. Especially Open Liero Xtreme.

Heh, so what English word do you propose for a name? Worms? Or SkirmishingTinyCreatures? Everything you can think of already was used somewhere, or will sound stupid.
I already considering the possibility to steal the name BattleCry and stick it to the game itself  ::)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wooper on May 12, 2009, 03:12:51 pm
To be honest, neither does Liero. Especially Open Liero Xtreme.


Heh, so what English word do you propose for a name? Worms? Or SkirmishingTinyCreatures? Everything you can think of already was used somewhere, or will sound stupid.
I already considering the possibility to steal the name BattleCry and stick it to the game itself  ::)
Oh well now that I think of it the skins aren't nessecarily worms anymore so it really doesn't need to be any worm-related. BattleCry sounds good and gives some idea how the game is. :o It's awesome.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Rakkula on May 12, 2009, 04:27:08 pm
So you're planning to change the name "OpenLieroX"? Does this mean you must change the "Liero" part aswell? You have a point when you say OpenLieroX is a poor name. I agree totally but not with changing the Liero part.
     
Secondly, Hirudo simply sucks. I mean, how is leeching in connection with this game? Sure it sucks out our life-force and we're all low, mindless creatures, but it has no serious connections whatsoever to the game or to the genre of the game. It would fit though, if you re-themed Liero like some B-class anime show.

We could come up with a better name but all name suggestions given so far simply suck (imo). And if you must change the name then everyone should be able to vote (contrary to Raziel's comments). That would also give recognition to the age-group playing the game instead of just relying in the opinions of a few people who consider themselves as the only "worthy voter". That's what I think. Have fun.

At the moment I'm practising my right to protest against the notorious and unscrupulous OLX developer-nazis and the tyrannous LXA Mussolins...


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 12, 2009, 04:52:20 pm
BattleCry sounds awesome!
pls add it to the poll ::)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 12, 2009, 05:43:13 pm
We could come up with a better name but all name suggestions given so far simply suck (imo). And if you must change the name then everyone should be able to vote (contrary to Raziel's comments). That would also give recognition to the age-group playing the game instead of just relying in the opinions of a few people who consider themselves as the only "worthy voter". That's what I think. Have fun.

Eek, so you wanna vote? Then gogo learn C++ and join dev-team 8) it's just like age-limit in all modern countries :P the "age-group" you talking about consists mainly of loud kiddos who act nubish in general.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Benn0 on May 12, 2009, 07:22:52 pm
So you're planning to change the name "OpenLieroX"? Does this mean you must change the "Liero" part aswell? You have a point when you say OpenLieroX is a poor name. I agree totally but not with changing the Liero part.
     
Secondly, Hirudo simply sucks. I mean, how is leeching in connection with this game? Sure it sucks out our life-force and we're all low, mindless creatures, but it has no serious connections whatsoever to the game or to the genre of the game. It would fit though, if you re-themed Liero like some B-class anime show.

We could come up with a better name but all name suggestions given so far simply suck (imo). And if you must change the name then everyone should be able to vote (contrary to Raziel's comments). That would also give recognition to the age-group playing the game instead of just relying in the opinions of a few people who consider themselves as the only "worthy voter". That's what I think. Have fun.

At the moment I'm practising my right to protest against the notorious and unscrupulous OLX developer-nazis and the tyrannous LXA Mussolins...
I'd put leeches above earthworms in the foodchain.

You don't seem to get the point that it's their game, not the peoples, THEIR. I don't know about you but I sure as hell wouldn't have a poll what to name MY game and nor am I related to Mussolini for naming MY own product whatever I want to name it.

There is one game that I know of that had a small competition for the name on the sequel, namely F.E.A.R. 2 - Project Origin. They were luckily Nazis and didn't let the community choose the name. The leading developers were the ones who decided that they would name it Project Origin. I might even add that Monolith had the competition because Vivendi, the publisher thatpublished F.E.A.R., held the rights to the name and they were not going to publish the sequel. Monolith got their name back when Vivendi merged with Activision-Blizzard, thus F.E.A.R. 2 - Project Origin


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Cloud on May 12, 2009, 07:37:18 pm
While I also agree that the name should be chosen by those who develop it. However, Im sorry if I miss interrupted your post Pelya when you said this,
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Despite of the voting results it still should be approved by Run, DC, Ruki, Albert and me in the order of vote importance
The developers to my understanding are Raziel, DC, Steelside, da_nick, albert, and you. However, im not 100% sure. Anyways why exclude some of the developers in your list. And also, why include Run and Ruki, when they are not developing the actual game, however I am aware of their involvement in the community.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: miri on May 12, 2009, 07:39:24 pm
Democracy won't be successful here, there is always some people like Hugglebunny (no offense) that votes for WormAge or something similar. We have given more than enough suggestions, now the devs can choose.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 12, 2009, 07:53:14 pm
This thread should be seen as a thread for collection ideas for a nice name. In the end we are the ones with the final word but I would really like to get some suggestions and opinions.

I thought, before we finally rename it to Hirudo, it's perhaps good to see if there are better suggestions (because there probably are, as Hirudo itself is not perfect).

Perhaps we also will make a poll, to just see which name is liked most; but that poll will not be the final decision.

There is still no name where I immediatly would say, that's it, perfect name. I still hope that perhaps somebody comes up with such name... :) But I guess it's not that easy...

(Btw., a bit OT, something funny about Linux: Linus itself wanted to name it Freax in the beginning. Because the server admin didn't liked that name, he just renamed the directory on the server to Linux. And anybody else just accepted that name, Linus himself also later on.)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Cloud on May 12, 2009, 08:04:53 pm
One other idea is Glista. It means worms in Serbian/Croatian language.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Quaqa on May 12, 2009, 09:34:01 pm
just one qustion:
what does hirudo mean? and is it finnish?
as liero was made in finland and is finnish I think we should stay with a finnish name, just to keep the fealing ;)

I acually do like hirudo ^^, just wanna know where it comes from and how anyone came up with it in the first place.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Calvi on May 12, 2009, 10:48:42 pm
just one qustion:
what does hirudo mean? and is it finnish?
as liero was made in finland and is finnish I think we should stay with a finnish name, just to keep the fealing ;)

I acually do like hirudo ^^, just wanna know where it comes from and how anyone came up with it in the first place.

That is one kind of Hirudo : http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_Medical_Leech

Liero was made in finland, but current developers are not finnish, as far as I know, and the point is not to cling to liero anymore. The code is pretty different from liero, according to what I read.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 12, 2009, 10:58:01 pm
That Hirudo project is dead so no worries about it. Battlecry is already used for something (unreleased yes). That project isn't dead and it's related to this game ;)

I haven't seen many new serious suggestions (only Glista). I don't think it has much appeal but will add it.

So lets start the first round of voting and get the most popular names. After that It could be up to the devs to make the final decision (so they would have the final vote).

voting is open


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 13, 2009, 01:01:40 pm
While I also agree that the name should be chosen by those who develop it. However, Im sorry if I miss interrupted your post Pelya when you said this,  The developers to my understanding are Raziel, DC, Steelside, da_nick, albert, and you. However, im not 100% sure. Anyways why exclude some of the developers in your list. And also, why include Run and Ruki, when they are not developing the actual game, however I am aware of their involvement in the community.

Raziel clearly voted for Hirudo, that already has been taken into account (and I doubt he'll accept anything else for a name).
SteelSide's opinion will be taken into account if he'll care enough to tell it to us, he's very inactive nowadays.
da_nick's last commit was to Beta3, he's more inactive than anyone.
Morphles almost committed one feature, so he's more active than da_nick.
And there's another important person I forgot about - Griffin! The valorous implementor of H&S gamemod, and one of project founders. Sorry about that...
Ruki maintains the data that should come into next OLX, such as maps, mods and skins.
And Run is official project admin.
From all aforementioned persons Albert, me and DC do actual coding, and Ruki, Run, DC and Raziel have some sane taste for arts (I mean levels and skins, new name falls into the same category).
You may watch the list of all OLX devs here (https://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=180059).

One other idea is Glista. It means worms in Serbian/Croatian language.
It means intestinal worm, also the same name in Russian.
I don't want our project name to be named after any kind of helminths anyway, the leeches are better IMO.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 13, 2009, 01:30:39 pm
Sorry I'm late to the discussion, so I'm unsure whether you're still accepting nominations.

I'd like to suggest Battlefrogs: Webisode 16, The Return of the Unrelated Naming System and Manifestation of the Interuniversal Toad Threat

Raz could go to town on the logo for it.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 13, 2009, 01:57:26 pm
Raziel clearly voted for Hirudo, that already has been taken into account (and I doubt he'll accept anything else for a name).
SteelSide's opinion will be taken into account if he'll care enough to tell it to us, he's very inactive nowadays.
da_nick's last commit was to Beta3, he's more inactive than anyone.
Morphles almost committed one feature, so he's more active than da_nick.
And there's another important person I forgot about - Griffin! The valorous implementor of H&S gamemod, and one of project founders. Sorry about that...
Ruki maintains the data that should come into next OLX, such as maps, mods and skins.
And Run is official project admin.
From all aforementioned persons Albert, me and DC do actual coding, and Ruki, Run, DC and Raziel have some sane taste for arts (I mean levels and skins, new name falls into the same category).
You may watch the list of all OLX devs here (https://sourceforge.net/project/memberlist.php?group_id=180059).

Or, if you just want to see the amount of commits (it's another topic how much that is saying):
http://www.ohloh.net/p/6596/contributors

(non_apparent = Griffin)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 13, 2009, 02:04:47 pm
Btw, there is still no name on the list where I would perfectly agree with without any doubt.

I would still be open for more suggestions.

But anyway, the actual rename will probably be for the OLX version that would be Beta10 or Beta11 otherwise, so it's still some time until then. So probably around 6-12 months until we have that new name (but also not fixed that decision yet; perhaps, if Beta9 is just fine, we finally could make a stable release and we could also rename it then).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 13, 2009, 02:33:02 pm
Btw, there is still no name on the list where I would perfectly agree with without any doubt.

I would still be open for more suggestions.

But anyway, the actual rename will probably be for the OLX version that would be Beta10 or Beta11 otherwise, so it's still some time until then. So probably around 6-12 months until we have that new name (but also not fixed that decision yet; perhaps, if Beta9 is just fine, we finally could make a stable release and we could also rename it then).

so we should rename the topic to "Albert's personal favorite name for OLX quest"? ;)

Albert, we have had countless brainstorms a year ago and people thinking for hours about suitable names. If it's not in the list now we could wait another year or two for them to come up and someone else will be unhappy with it.

If we choose a name now you could internally start using it when OLX final is released. 

Personal preferences for names differ a lot and it's about finding one that most of us are happy with. Liero worlds is one that i personally find a terrible name, but if the majority is very happy with it that'll have to do..


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 13, 2009, 02:51:55 pm
Hey Run, could you plz add BattleCry to the list? I know it's the name of new clanwar ladder system, but the name itself owns, if you won't mind us stealing it :P


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 13, 2009, 02:53:07 pm
so we should rename the topic to "Albert's personal favorite name for OLX quest"? ;)

No of course not. :) But I wonder, do you (and all other devs) have a name in the list which is just perfect for you in all ways? Or also the other people here. I got the feeling that most of the names are just names which came up somehow (like my own suggestion) but in most cases are not that good.

If I look at that list, I really don't know what to vote. Some are better than others but there is no name which is really perfect. But OK, if all of you others find a name which is just perfect for you (or if you just don't care that much about it but just want to have a name change), I will be fine with that decision.

But if that is not the case, then we don't have to force the name change as soon as possible. We have a lot of time to think about better names.

Perhaps make an additional point in the list like "I would like a different name".

Btw., some of the names have also other problems. I just did a search for Hirudo on Google and there are 173,000 hits and some of them will probably always stay above our game. At least it will be hard to find information specific to our game. If you search for Liero, OpenLiero, OpenLieroX or whatever, you only find that specific information.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 13, 2009, 04:24:34 pm
Hey Run, could you plz add BattleCry to the list? I know it's the name of new clanwar ladder system, but the name itself owns, if you won't mind us stealing it :P
and why not:
Liero BattleCry - LBC
we'd keep liero but its still a new name and it sounds awesome.. and i guess no one is using it already..


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 13, 2009, 04:56:00 pm
No of course not. :) But I wonder, do you (and all other devs) have a name in the list which is just perfect for you in all ways?
nope, not perfect. but i think there are no perfect ones.

But if that is not the case, then we don't have to force the name change as soon as possible. We have a lot of time to think about better names.

we already considered pretty much every possible name during last brainstorm a year ago or so. If you want to do it all over again, that's fine. Not sure if others will keep going over the same names again. All of the suitable names in the list now also came up during last brainstorm (and many more).

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Perhaps make an additional point in the list like "I would like a different name".

if you like a different name you have to come up with it yourself. It can then be added to the list.

Btw., some of the names have also other problems. I just did a search for Hirudo on Google and there are 173,000 hits and some of them will probably always stay above our game. At least it will be hard to find information specific to our game. If you search for Liero, OpenLiero, OpenLieroX or whatever, you only find that specific information.

That was one of the reasons to consier a different name, also because the domains are already claimed. It was mentioned in the beginning of this topic.

I think you haven't been much part of the discussion last time, but after a huge debate about names + considering 100s of names we ended up with Hirudo. It is still one of the most original names to choose IMO.

Wormage and Wormfare seem to be popular as well. They didn't make it to the last round last time..

I personally like Wormish, it's a nice merge of Skirmish and Worms + the creatures in the game aren't exactly worms, so wormish fits nicely. Big plus is availability of the domain names and it sounds a bit more like a 2d game with fun gameplay (IMO).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: DarkCharlie on May 13, 2009, 08:41:55 pm
Voted for WormAge, can't help myself it sounds the best to me.

I have to warn though that the name is already being used by some social game:
http://www.yoyogames.com/games/launch/27680
http://www.google.com/search?hl=cs&rls=cs&hs=FKe&q=wormage&btnG=Hledat&lr=


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 13, 2009, 09:27:11 pm
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nope, not perfect. but i think there are no perfect ones.

Maybe there are. :) Who knows.

I think it was a good idea to start this thread because everybody can think a bit about it. A good name doesn't pop up after one week collecting all ideas, then make a poll and choose the best out of it. (Ok, to be fair, it's the second poll now as we had something similar two years ago or so; but that's not really the point of my argument anyway.) But it's good to get this in peoples head again and to think more about it.

Usually, I have the best ideas, when having something in my mind and often getting back to it. I surely can get good ideas by just brainstorming, but that are by far not the best ideas I have. They just came up somehow suddenly.

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if you like a different name you have to come up with it yourself. It can then be added to the list.

The fact that I would like a different name doesn't mean that I know a specific different name. :)

But I really don't like the thought, if somebody asks me later on, why is this game called X, and I would have to answer, well, we made a big poll and the one with most votes was it. Without having a realy good explanation how this name fits perfectly. Or if not fitting perfectly (in a logic way), at least to have a funny relation somehow. It's not just about the sound. Hirudo for example sounds ok, but I don't see the relation of the meaning to the game that funny. Wormish and Wormage are a bit better, but there is also not really a funny story behind that names. I don't want to have just the simple explanation that it is the word worm (or some kind of worm) in language Y (or just English), merged with another word. I think names are more important to have just a that trivial and plumb meaning. Also, to just have the name worm in another language (or just merged with another word; or in any combination) is not really creative. Liero was ok as it was one of the first kinds of that type of game and it was similar to the game Worms, but in a different way which got pointed out somehow by having it in a different language (or also interpretable as having a Finish version of it). Having the name now in another different language or just again in English is a step back in creativity.

Btw., while writing that, there are some artificial universal languages. To have Worms in that language is a bit better than having it in a natural language (well, also not that creative nor funny, but at least has *some* meaning, that it is now an universal game, developed from different people around the world).

Well, that are just my thoughts about that...


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hawk on May 13, 2009, 09:29:39 pm
YEEEAAAHHH OpenlieroX is leading so far! good luck, let's keep the ol' good name


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: 'KJack.mp3 on May 13, 2009, 09:56:06 pm
Carnage :P lx is full of it.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 14, 2009, 10:56:29 am
Googling for "Carnage game" gives million results :P that name was used long long before, for some Amiga game. And variants like "WormaNage" or "LieroNage" sounds lame. Think up something as catchy as "Carmageddon" plz, but for wormstiny rampaging creatures, also note that "Wormageddon" name already used for another game.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Maxxa on May 14, 2009, 11:49:20 am
I think OpenLieroX is just fine.. But if its got to be chanced, i'd say that it should have atleast 'Liero' word in it.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 14, 2009, 03:07:41 pm
Hey Run, could you plz add BattleCry to the list? I know it's the name of new clanwar ladder system, but the name itself owns, if you won't mind us stealing it :P

do you ever do any research before coming up with anything???

http://www.google.com/search?q=battlecry+game&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

NO i will not add it to the list!!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 14, 2009, 03:15:41 pm
do you ever do any research before coming up with anything???

http://www.google.com/search?q=battlecry+game&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8&aq=t&rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&client=firefox-a

NO i will not add it to the list!!

Eek sorry. So all good names have been taken up already.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wander on May 14, 2009, 03:16:39 pm
Googling for "Carnage game" gives million results :P that name was used long long before, for some Amiga game. And variants like "WormaNage" or "LieroNage" sounds lame. Think up something as catchy as "Carmageddon" plz, but for wormstiny rampaging creatures, also note that "Wormageddon" name already used for another game.
Wormstiny actually sounds quite good :P
I guess it's destiny to come up with it by accident..


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Turma on May 14, 2009, 03:55:53 pm
Lieronator
Lieromania
Liero Online 
Battle of Liero
Wormage
Lierogeddon
Game ruled by Osp

Few ideas. I didnt read other pages so most of em might be already suggested.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 14, 2009, 04:02:57 pm
Eek sorry. So all good names have been taken up already.

that's what makes it so hard ehh..

Wormstiny actually sounds quite good :P
I guess it's destiny to come up with it by accident..

i think it sounds like crap but the idea is okish.

what about Blastiny? ;) [brainstorm mode]


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 14, 2009, 04:39:32 pm
that's what makes it so hard ehh..

i think it sounds like crap but the idea is okish.

what about Blastiny? ;) [brainstorm mode]

At least it's original, and doesn't have Worms inside. I actually like it, add it to the poll plz. Plus it sounds like Blasphemy :)
Maybe come up with some variants like CarnaBlast, but less stupid.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wander on May 14, 2009, 05:14:02 pm
i think it sounds like crap but the idea is okish.

what about Blastiny? ;) [brainstorm mode]
Blastiny is much better! It's your destiny to blast (with) the tiny ones, right?
We'll also easily make it to the #1 Google hit with that word btw, and domain names are available.

Best suggestion so far i think.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 14, 2009, 05:25:55 pm
Why would you name it indicating it has something to do with Worms, unless you draw attention to the fact that really it's just real time worms. You can't play on the basic skin being a worm (or at least it used to be) because hardly anyone uses worm skins compared with the unending amount of NinjaTaro users.

If you're going to pay tribute to it's origins and likenesses then you could encompass both. However - naming in the style of Worms is dangerous since you risk confusing new people. Naming alongside LieroX has the potential pitfalls of upsetting those who point out that it's as good as totally different code now.

Naming something important to an entire community isn't easy and no doubt you chumps have done it to death.

Personally I would underline the fact that this is a development by people who have played this game and those it's based off, those it has similarities with etc. and come up with what they think is the best combination of ideas they provide. Liero Xtreme was a step forward from Liero, so draw inspiration.

I like the word Evolution, it has excellent links to what this game has become, and would fit in nicely if you do name it in the honour of the games it is based around. Liero Evolution, perhaps including Xtreme or Extreme if you wanted to further highlight that, is my suggestion. Liero Evolution X would be fitting if it was Beta 10 that became the new version.

Don't lose sight of the original goal, and don't forget that naming totally fresh will sever a lot of ties.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: SorZ on May 14, 2009, 05:51:39 pm
I like the word Evolution, it has excellent links to what this game has become, and would fit in nicely if you do name it in the honour of the games it is based around. Liero Evolution, perhaps including Xtreme or Extreme if you wanted to further highlight that, is my suggestion. Liero Evolution X would be fitting if it was Beta 10 that became the new version.

Don't lose sight of the original goal, and don't forget that naming totally fresh will sever a lot of ties.

Have to agree on your name proposal..
Liero Evolution is for sure the superior name compared to everything else, even better than Hirudo.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Reclip on May 14, 2009, 06:04:04 pm
Have to agree on your name proposal..
Liero Evolution is for sure the superior name compared to everything else, even better than Hirudo.
Yeah, Liero Evolution sounds much better than Hirudo.
And what does "hirudo" even mean?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 14, 2009, 06:40:37 pm
Have to agree on your name proposal..
Liero Evolution is for sure the superior name compared to everything else, even better than Hirudo.

At least it's not Xtreme, seems fine for me. Yet Hirudo got more votes anyway.

Hirudo means leech in Latin, but it sounds like Japanese :P

Edit: Oh, Liero Evolution is even not in the poll, Run plz add it (and maybe reset votes one more time? :D ).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 14, 2009, 06:46:02 pm
Calac(c)a (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calaca) (Extra potential c for coolness and much less google hits)

Laerro (obvious when you pronounce it)

xodex

karyp

Wuscer/Wusker/Vuscer/Vusker



Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Shade on May 14, 2009, 07:55:50 pm
I'm seriously wondering why some "obvious" suggestions haven't been thrown up..

- Mortars (I'm still wondering why no one mentioned it.)
- Can't Rope This (I lag through you)
- Albert's Game (Lol.)
- Battle Rope (Roping is so cool now.)
- ANYTHING WITH BATTLE IN IT (SERIOUSLY gtfo.)
- Mini Cod (Heh, best FPS meet mini version)
- Player Names (Possibly the winner of a tournament)
- Mod Names (Hey Powerstruck sounds awesome!)
- CritterZ (Tiny evil things that shoot you)
- Frontline (Hey, its where we are!)
- LieroX - The Frontier (The game is constantly evolving)
- Mini Mights (Tiny things again)
- Hostile Warfare (Seriously, how accurate is this? SHUTUP NUB)
- Mudkipz (No I'm just joking with this)
- Hostile Evolution (Win.)
- LX Demolitions (Lets blow some shit up.)
- LX **** it, ragequit. (What I'll do if this continues too much longer.)

There are a lot of names here which are quite useless in my opinion,
I'll never understand what a name in another language is..

As soon as you MENTION worms, you'll attract "THOSE" users,
and you will also get rid of anyone who hates worms,
which is a real shame cause LX has nothing to do with worms unlike the original Liero.

Run, I don't see why Battlecry can't just be labeled as an addon for the game.
Something like "Battlecry Clanbase" meh, just a thought..

Honestly, you can add a word in with LieroX, but until it gets rid of the gameplay state its in, Run -> Reload -> Flip Round -> Shoot.. it should stay LieroX with a mention to Jason B.

So like.. you guys be the judge, where do we go from here?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 14, 2009, 07:57:46 pm
calacca is cool =)

ye pely is right, Run pls reset the votes and start the voting next week or something, so we've more time for suggestions :)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Shade on May 14, 2009, 08:00:57 pm
FAIL K-47 ~ We can't all be weapon specialists.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Cloud on May 14, 2009, 08:11:32 pm
My favorite so far is Liero Evolution. I like Spoon's rationalization and I agree with it.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: 'KJack.mp3 on May 14, 2009, 08:13:08 pm
how about something with 2d in the name? :P

2D Carnage
2D Mayhem
2Demons - xD

or maybe something with "small/tiny"

Little Arena
Teeny Combat
Teeny Combatants
Tiny World
Little Warzone
Teeny Weenys - lols


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: MissingNo. on May 14, 2009, 08:17:34 pm
How about Bloedzuiger? It will be mispronounced a lot and quite a few people won't know what it even means. Plus it sounds cool outloud. It's perfect.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Reclip on May 14, 2009, 08:37:09 pm
How about Bloedzuiger? It will be mispronounced a lot and quite a few people won't know what it even means. Plus it sounds cool outloud. It's perfect.
Dutch.... :-\


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: MissingNo. on May 14, 2009, 08:40:54 pm
Dutch.... :-\
Indeed it is. :P


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 14, 2009, 09:59:38 pm
updated the poll and suspended voting for now. Everyone can change votes so no need to reset it i think?

To me Liero Evolution makes most sense if Liero is kept in the name. I still don't think it's appealing for a game name though.

Lets pleaaaase don't use anything X(treme)! it's such a meaningless and uncreative thing to use..

Think about this: the game is a blast to play, and it's all about these tiny creatures. Couldn't be easier to name it ;)

about Battlecry: I wouldnt' have huge objections against using it, but it's a often used in game names already. Domain names are taken as well.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 14, 2009, 10:05:32 pm
cool :)
but weird, i can't remove my vote ???


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Cizin on May 14, 2009, 10:05:49 pm
"Ascaris"


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 14, 2009, 10:11:56 pm
cool :)
but weird, i can't remove my vote ???

it's locked atm, so you can't remove it as wel.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: MissingNo. on May 14, 2009, 10:14:38 pm
My suggestion wasn't good? :<


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Cizin on May 14, 2009, 10:15:41 pm
Mine is better,
ASCARIS!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 14, 2009, 11:09:55 pm
-domain names are available
-has some association with little armed creatures
-max 2 words (to keep it catchy).
-international appeal

keep those in mind when suggesting ^^


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Cizin on May 14, 2009, 11:23:07 pm
ascaris is a parasitic roundowrm


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: MissingNo. on May 14, 2009, 11:42:26 pm
Bloedzuiger is a leech. I believe that www.bloedzuiger.net is available. It's under two words. As for international appeal, I'm not sure. Only two people have said anything about it so far. xd


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 14, 2009, 11:43:25 pm
ascaris is a parasitic roundowrm

that sounds juicy and nice
Bloedzuiger is a leech. I believe that www.bloedzuiger.net is available. It's under two words. As for international appeal, I'm not sure. Only two people have said anything about it so far. xd

good, lets give it the benefit of the doubt ;)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 15, 2009, 03:09:25 am
I note with poignant scepticism that while one of my suggestions has been taken on board, the other has been wholly ignored.

I mean, come on - you consider Liero Evolution X but not Battlefrogs: Webisode 16, The Return of the Unrelated Naming System and Manifestation of the Interuniversal Toad Threat?

--

Actually though, the name list grows because people see a whole bunch of names they don't think are even worth considering, so suggest their own.

Clearly nominations are not settled, since people are happy to see ammendments to the vote while it is going on.. I suggest you take a look at the preliminary votes, a close consideration of suitable names, forms - select a rough guide and ask for variations on it. Do it bit by bit - do you want a name based around Liero, or Worms, or an unrelated name such as the Ascaris, Bloedzuigers etc, a descriptive name. Narrow it down to a category then proceed, and I think that stage should be done by the community leaders (however you wish to define those).

It'd be harsh but you could really use a veto system for that job, since there are plenty of names there that have some flaw which really outweighs the potential of a name. i.e. - Bloedzuiger would be mis-spelt by half those searching for it. Teeny Weenies would be found by people searching for a particular niche of porn, as would Holez. Insects Online has connotations of a site or client for uber nerd scientists, or for the more internet savvy among you, the Japanese. No offense meant to those suggestions, but those are the initial things I think of when I see those names, and first impressions are the most important of all - something you must consider if you hope this game will attract new players.

Open voting with a constantly added to list of options will never end or produce something people can truly accept, even if it's not their favourite.

Give the system some structure!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 15, 2009, 10:11:47 am
I note with poignant scepticism that while one of my suggestions has been taken on board, the other has been wholly ignored.

I mean, come on - you consider Liero Evolution X but not Battlefrogs: Webisode 16, The Return of the Unrelated Naming System and Manifestation of the Interuniversal Toad Threat?

--

Actually though, the name list grows because people see a whole bunch of names they don't think are even worth considering, so suggest their own.

Clearly nominations are not settled, since people are happy to see ammendments to the vote while it is going on.. I suggest you take a look at the preliminary votes, a close consideration of suitable names, forms - select a rough guide and ask for variations on it. Do it bit by bit - do you want a name based around Liero, or Worms, or an unrelated name such as the Ascaris, Bloedzuigers etc, a descriptive name. Narrow it down to a category then proceed, and I think that stage should be done by the community leaders (however you wish to define those).

It'd be harsh but you could really use a veto system for that job, since there are plenty of names there that have some flaw which really outweighs the potential of a name. i.e. - Bloedzuiger would be mis-spelt by half those searching for it. Teeny Weenies would be found by people searching for a particular niche of porn, as would Holez. Insects Online has connotations of a site or client for uber nerd scientists, or for the more internet savvy among you, the Japanese. No offense meant to those suggestions, but those are the initial things I think of when I see those names, and first impressions are the most important of all - something you must consider if you hope this game will attract new players.

Open voting with a constantly added to list of options will never end or produce something people can truly accept, even if it's not their favourite.

Give the system some structure!

you make some very good points, thanks for the input :). The hardest thing to tackle is whether it should build on the Liero legacy or get a new name. You are damn right that we should decide about that first but it's been impossible to get a consensus about it (older players are more tied to Liero, developers and community 'leaders' lean towards a more attractive name which would fit with future developments). People don't like changes and I think that for the most part it is the reason to stick with the Liero name.

Now the vote was suddenly thrown in here which wasn't a smart step obviously, without first narrowing things down.

I suppose we should rethink things now and finally decide to go with a fresh start or not!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 15, 2009, 12:50:27 pm
Here's what we'll do:

1: we keep this thread, and encourage this brainstorming with names.

2: We remove the vote.

3: After activity in thread has died, we take suggestions have a "commitee" consisting of whoever is considered "important" to the game, let them review them, come back with the 5-10 best suggestions. Then put a vote in public. Or potentially have some sort of internal vote, whichever suits best.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hawk on May 15, 2009, 01:23:02 pm
i believe that worm(s) is already in use for Worms series.
check-> www.team17.com
well i don't know can u use it or not, but that's just info  8)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Raziel on May 15, 2009, 01:49:38 pm
i believe that worm(s) is already in use for Worms series.
check-> www.team17.com
well i don't know can u use it or not, but that's just info  8)

No, reallly? What a surprise.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hatten on May 15, 2009, 03:17:00 pm
i believe that worm(s) is already in use for Worms series.
check-> www.team17.com
well i don't know can u use it or not, but that's just info  8)
xD That was hilarious!
I am considered important, right? It's important to have people that spam down the forums while not have played the game for ages! =D


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 15, 2009, 03:47:28 pm
To me Liero Evolution makes most sense if Liero is kept in the name. I still don't think it's appealing for a game name though.

Lets pleaaaase don't use anything X(treme)! it's such a meaningless and uncreative thing to use..

Think about this: the game is a blast to play, and it's all about these tiny creatures. Couldn't be easier to name it ;)

Actually I think Liero Evolution is not that bad. At least it makes some real sense (in contrast to most other suggestions). The name is perhaps just a bit too long and I am not sure about the impression of somebody who don't know what Liero means.

I fully agree also with X(treme), that should not be part of the name. It would just mess up the name. For example, I would have liked the name OpenLiero much more when we started the project, but it was already taken.

Btw., you made me think, what about the name Tiny Creatures? (Or something similar in that direction?)

You also made me think what the meaning of the name should be. In most games, it describes either the main characters and/or the world it plays in (and/or gameplay). Some people said that the name should not include the name "worm(s)" anymore as it wouldn't be related anymore to worms (that much). Well, it's true that you can choose between a lot of different skins but I think it's good if we have one main character. The game would somehow loose its identity otherwise. I think there should be some main character in the game and worms just are fitting fine here. But if somebody has a really nice and better suggestion about a new main character, I am open to it. It's also ok if it is a bit more general, if it is just a set of creatures (like in the game Spore). But I would not like to just drop any references to worms without having any replacement (just saying it's a 2D game with some characters in it which shoot themself).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 15, 2009, 03:53:14 pm
or maybe something with "small/tiny"

Little Arena
Teeny Combat
Teeny Combatants
Tiny World
Little Warzone
Teeny Weenys - lols

Hey, I like most of them. :) Tiny World for example is nice. I did a short Google search on that and it has a lot of hits but nothing very specific, so we could probably make it to the top. (Drawback is that it's again hard to sort out specific information about our game when searching for it.)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 15, 2009, 05:09:07 pm
Hey, I like most of them. :) Tiny World for example is nice. I did a short Google search on that and it has a lot of hits but nothing very specific, so we could probably make it to the top. (Drawback is that it's again hard to sort out specific information about our game when searching for it.)

i think those are some of the weaker names. They sound like games for kids < 8 to me - like Commander Keen (which was a nice game in it's genre tho). This game's primary draw is the gameplay which is pure action (and camping for some :D). I don't see how "Tiny World" or "Tiny Creatures" could represent that? ;) Unless you remove the blood effect, and make it into some sort of sims-alike?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Nets on May 15, 2009, 05:12:45 pm
tmiassnaycre! thats tiny massacre mixed in some weird way but.. this is not my proposal...
uhh Creep&Fire.
Miniature Wars (i know , so original)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: miri on May 15, 2009, 05:21:38 pm
Amor Vermium, Hirudo, Glista are the top ones for sure.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: 'KJack.mp3 on May 15, 2009, 05:22:17 pm
i think those are some of the weaker names. They sound like games for kids < 8 to me - like Commander Keen (which was a nice game in it's genre tho). This game's primary draw is the gameplay which is pure action (and camping for some :D). I don't see how "Tiny World" or "Tiny Creatures" could represent that? ;) Unless you remove the blood effect, and make it into some sort of sims-alike?

Still think Carnage fits the game perfect, maybe Carnage 2D, didnt found anything on google and carnage2D.net is available.

+
When people search for a 2d game, this name is good :P


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 15, 2009, 05:22:49 pm
I must say I think Ascaris is an awesome suggestion. It's short and catchy, got some international appeal and is related to worms, like I think it should be. Strangely it also reminds me of all the wonderful Nintendo games I played when I was a kid. For some reason I seem to think the names of all the best games had to end with the letter S, even though I couldn't list too many such names right now.

Secondly, I think the ones suggesting names and considering them should really think about the language issue. I mean, all the English names suggested are international, but I'm not sure if they are really appealing. To me names with words like 'worm', 'tiny', 'battle', 'combat' and such only sound very dull. There are dozens of games made up of of those words already.

Indeed, Latin names like Hirudo and Ascaris might be more appealing. Latin is the basis of many European languages, and as the LX community is largely Europe-based either way, Latin names should be easily pronounceable and memorable to most players. This also goes for English and thus the American part of the community.

The benefits I think Ascaris has over Hirudo, my other favorite, are the fact that it sounds less Japanese, which could mean something to some people, and I would guess also domain-name availability. And of course the aforementioned letter S, I think it just sounds very cool. =)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 15, 2009, 06:01:32 pm
i think those are some of the weaker names. They sound like games for kids < 8 to me - like Commander Keen (which was a nice game in it's genre tho). This game's primary draw is the gameplay which is pure action (and camping for some :D). I don't see how "Tiny World" or "Tiny Creatures" could represent that? ;) Unless you remove the blood effect, and make it into some sort of sims-alike?

While stating that (and my other comment), I was in fact thinking about Commander Keen. :) I love that game and I think its name is actually very good. (For those who don't know: It's a child (named Keen) which has build its own small spaceship and is saving the Earth because some aliens want to destroy it.)

I would prefer such name, which indicates that this is something funny. I prefer such names (generally speaking, not fixed to those given examples) much more over some serious sounding name. I never have seen playing OLX as something serious, I always have seen it as something which is fun (and I think, for playing games, the properties serious and fun exclude each other).

I also don't think that OLX is in any sense really brutal. Well, there is blood but that doesn't make it that brutal. It's far from realism (not the blood, the whole gameplay is).

For example, if the game Worms would not have been named Worms but something serious as "Killing Advanced" or something (well, very bad alternative name example, cannot think of any serious sounding name for it right now; I hope you still get what I try to point out), it would not have such a success. If people would tell about it, "hey, have you heard about the game 'Killing Advanced'? It's a lot of fun!', it just doesn't sound like that. (Ok, I have to admit, that was a very extreme example now.)

Also for example the game Teeworlds sounds like a fun game (from its name). Fun and action doesn't exclude each other. If that game would have been named "Carnage game", it would never had such a success.

Whereby a lot of other suggestions here in this thread are not that extreme.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 15, 2009, 06:06:26 pm
you make some very good points, thanks for the input :). The hardest thing to tackle is whether it should build on the Liero legacy or get a new name. You are damn right that we should decide about that first but it's been impossible to get a consensus about it (older players are more tied to Liero, developers and community 'leaders' lean towards a more attractive name which would fit with future developments). People don't like changes and I think that for the most part it is the reason to stick with the Liero name.

Now the vote was suddenly thrown in here which wasn't a smart step obviously, without first narrowing things down.

I suppose we should rethink things now and finally decide to go with a fresh start or not!

Perhaps another more general question: Should worms stay the main characters or what should it be otherwise?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 15, 2009, 08:11:47 pm
Whether worms stay the default skin or not I think ties should not be drawn with Worms, as a franchise. Worms is a professionally made game and while this is 'real time worms', that is better described as Liero, since believe it or not the original Liero is infact a very well known name as one of the more popular old DOS games. Besides, isn't the Worms series dying out now, I've not seen anything of any value in a long time. I genuinely don't think people will play this game if they found it while looking for T17 Worms games.

Also, I get hints of feelings that people want the game to grow, and want new players. Has anyone tried contacting some of the bigger sites that sell games, demos and free 'indie' games? There must be some place that would be happy to put this game on a pedestal, especially if a pristine version can be released which a major site could take seriously. I don't know many of these sites since I tend to find a game I like and stick with it (plenty of you know how WoW took up all of my gaming time, then a few other games ..). I will do some digging, I cannot think of a better time to try project this community outward than the release of the new model (or whatever word best describes it :)).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 15, 2009, 09:33:36 pm
While stating that (and my other comment), I was in fact thinking about Commander Keen. :) I love that game and I think its name is actually very good. (For those who don't know: It's a child (named Keen) which has build its own small spaceship and is saving the Earth because some aliens want to destroy it.)

I would prefer such name, which indicates that this is something funny. I prefer such names (generally speaking, not fixed to those given examples) much more over some serious sounding name. I never have seen playing OLX as something serious, I always have seen it as something which is fun (and I think, for playing games, the properties serious and fun exclude each other).

I also don't think that OLX is in any sense really brutal. Well, there is blood but that doesn't make it that brutal. It's far from realism (not the blood, the whole gameplay is).

For example, if the game Worms would not have been named Worms but something serious as "Killing Advanced" or something (well, very bad alternative name example, cannot think of any serious sounding name for it right now; I hope you still get what I try to point out), it would not have such a success. If people would tell about it, "hey, have you heard about the game 'Killing Advanced'? It's a lot of fun!', it just doesn't sound like that. (Ok, I have to admit, that was a very extreme example now.)

Also for example the game Teeworlds sounds like a fun game (from its name). Fun and action doesn't exclude each other. If that game would have been named "Carnage game", it would never had such a success.

Whereby a lot of other suggestions here in this thread are not that extreme.

i think the ideal name lies somewhere in between. carnage isn't a word that would work great for a 2d game like this, but it's definitely not a just for fun game. Maybe this doesn't go for you, but this game has a big addiction factor, and it has the same properties that made a game like quake popular. That has to do with adrenaline and action.

Competition is an important part as well.. With that it has a very different game experience compared to commander keen or other games you name. Tee worlds is comparable i guess, but I think it clearly choose to be just a fun game, without much clan activity and such. The existence of clans in the LX community + the competitiveness we've seen in the past means that there is a potential to attract a big group of gamers that don't have hardware to play the latest 3d shooters or get nausea from them (or just like a change of scenery).

Fun and action don't exclude each other, I totally agree with that. So ideally the name should have some of both :) But I don't think this is a child's game only. It can attract everyone between 8 - 40.

Whether worms stay the default skin or not I think ties should not be drawn with Worms, as a franchise. Worms is a professionally made game and while this is 'real time worms', that is better described as Liero, since believe it or not the original Liero is infact a very well known name as one of the more popular old DOS games. Besides, isn't the Worms series dying out now, I've not seen anything of any value in a long time. I genuinely don't think people will play this game if they found it while looking for T17 Worms games.

Also, I get hints of feelings that people want the game to grow, and want new players. Has anyone tried contacting some of the bigger sites that sell games, demos and free 'indie' games? There must be some place that would be happy to put this game on a pedestal, especially if a pristine version can be released which a major site could take seriously. I don't know many of these sites since I tend to find a game I like and stick with it (plenty of you know how WoW took up all of my gaming time, then a few other games ..). I will do some digging, I cannot think of a better time to try project this community outward than the release of the new model (or whatever word best describes it :)).

I suppose worms don't have to be part of it. It used to be an association with this type of game, but people would expect a turn based game and this isn't.

As far as I know no one really tried to get the game listed in popular directories. It sounds like a good plan (but as you say, it would be wise to wait till there is a final polished version of the game).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: 'KJack.mp3 on May 15, 2009, 09:41:57 pm
Whether worms stay the default skin or not I think ties should not be drawn with Worms, as a franchise. Worms is a professionally made game and while this is 'real time worms', that is better described as Liero, since believe it or not the original Liero is infact a very well known name as one of the more popular old DOS games. Besides, isn't the Worms series dying out now, I've not seen anything of any value in a long time. I genuinely don't think people will play this game if they found it while looking for T17 Worms games.

Also, I get hints of feelings that people want the game to grow, and want new players. Has anyone tried contacting some of the bigger sites that sell games, demos and free 'indie' games? There must be some place that would be happy to put this game on a pedestal, especially if a pristine version can be released which a major site could take seriously. I don't know many of these sites since I tend to find a game I like and stick with it (plenty of you know how WoW took up all of my gaming time, then a few other games ..). I will do some digging, I cannot think of a better time to try project this community outward than the release of the new model (or whatever word best describes it :)).

Yea.
And the devs should go to http://www.moddb.com and put their project there, that would be quite good for publicity:P.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Ruki on May 15, 2009, 10:39:16 pm
Why LieroX is so addicting? Because of the community. And nearly anyone has a chance to become somebody important in our community when a month or two ago he or she was still only a random unknown newb. I suggest to call it Wormerica ;) Game of dreams.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Shade on May 17, 2009, 03:41:08 pm
"Shades of Liero"
or
"Mini Fronts"


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 18, 2009, 12:06:49 am
Continuation of Spoon's Logical Deduction

I've explained why I'd avoid Worms, furthermore I'll explain why I'd avoid anything that has Tiny, Mini etc in the name - these words are associated with childrens toys, as a lot of children's toys are infact miniature versions of something we have in every day life. Miniature cars, miniature humans (action figures), miniature dolls houses. Mini associates with something aimed at a younger generation. While this game has always had a fairly young playerbase compared to the rest of the mainstream gaming world, I'm sure the 14 year olds here will appreciate not attracting the 10 year olds.

The other point in hand is that while yes, the sprites you control are small on the screen, in most cases the maps are made such that our worms are anthropomorphised - maps are made that fit the players as if they're human, and are scaled accordingly. Except for some of the ancient maps made by HocusPocus (think Kitchen Kombat) where things were 'human sized' and the players were tiny by comparison, most maps are scaled - Liero Factory has a truck which is the right size for the sprites, Jailbreak is similar although pretty bare in comparison.

Essentially, aside from the fact that things are small on the screen, what you're playing with is not scaled to be tiny so I'd avoid the word, especially given the fact that a lot of people's initial reactions to those words will be 'kid's game'. LX has all the right aspects to be highly enjoyable by older players, because at the bottom of it all it's adrenaline inducing pure action, you don't need fancy graphics to create addictive fun. This ties in nicely with my previous points about taking the game to a wider audience. :)


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Post by: RuNyoufool on May 18, 2009, 12:24:24 am
It's pretty much what I said yes, but a bit more convincing :D

So Spoon, got any concrete ideas yet? ;) I've tried a lot of names, but it's hard without knowing too many english words as a non native (goes for most people here off course).

As addition to avoiding tiny, I think the name should show the competitive nature of the game.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: 'KJack.mp3 on May 18, 2009, 12:38:14 am
Total Chaos



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Post by: DarkCharlie on May 18, 2009, 12:45:40 am
Total Chaos

Even though it perfectly describes the current state of the game, dunno if it's the name we should choose  :D


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 18, 2009, 02:52:34 am
Destructo  (there are a few flash games and the likes that uses the name though)

Iron blood (already a game though, but not a big one. :D)

Babyloonya (mispelling on purpose. Gives 5 results in google)

aniballistic (animal + ballistic)

Techeat

Total Extinction

cessationalism (Cessation with an ism added sounds like "sensationalism")

gilgul (reincarnation in Judaism)





Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: *Gyogyi* on May 18, 2009, 02:53:23 am
Even though it perfectly describes the current state of the game, dunno if it's the name we should choose  :D

haha, why not :D


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Raziel on May 18, 2009, 08:39:29 am
Destructo  (there are a few flash games and the likes that uses the name though)

Iron blood (already a game though, but not a big one. :D)

Babyloonya (mispelling on purpose. Gives 5 results in google)

aniballistic (animal + ballistic)

Techeat

Total Extinction

cessationalism (Cessation with an ism added sounds like "sensationalism")

gilgul (reincarnation in Judaism)

For f*cking sake,  how many suggestions did you put online already? 50? 100? Maybe you should come up with ONE proper suggestion instead of huge pile of crap you are serving here? Didn't you already notice, that the names are taken by other games? So why to mention them at all?

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gilgul (reincarnation in Judaism)

Say what? Are you going a relligious freak path now and you will be giving us suggestions related to all the relligions of our wodnerful world? You are AMAZING, Mr Mystical Creation.

So, now we have 1500000 names suggestions. All of them, without an exception, are wonderful. Everyone put so much effort in the thought of a name... it hurts me deeply that I cannot pick all of them at the same time. Hey people, let's decide about the name within a day now. Im sure everyone will agree on the chosen one and nobody will have a single objection. Hm, maybe Im a little rude. So hey people, let's decide about the name within a week from now. Oh wait, it's kinda mean still, so many choices... people must be so confused... sooo, wake me up in 2012, when you will finally decide.



Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 18, 2009, 10:18:32 am
Yeh, sorry for putting a short explanation behind the names. I suppose we should just make a random name with no meaning at all...  ::)

Since when are terms that are connected to religon impossible to use? They are constantly used in movies and games with no religous connections beyond that.

Perhaps you just view this as a thread were the suggestions you preapproved should be allowed in, that's your perogative, but don't expect me to be convinced by your post since you still cling on to the "hirudo" name that the developers apparantly wasn't so fond of at all. (And yes I liked it, but if they don't want to use it, I wont be crying over spilt milk.) If you think my suggestions are so shit, come up with better ones if you want to contribute. Your normal rants going: "your art sucks" (and hoping they'll get a grip) wont work here, at least because I'm brainstorming. Get a grip, and stop taking your frustration out on other people just because they aren't contributing the things you want them to contribute (which seems to be nothing at all.)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Raziel on May 18, 2009, 10:42:39 am
Give people one option, and they will cry that they had nothing else to choose.
Give people two options, and you will see a half which goes right way, and second half that goes left way.
Give people three options to choose, and it becomes a chaos already. People will look at this what others chose, so they will belong to the majority, but in the end they do not feel satisfied.

Now, when you have so many options, yet you keep loading it with more crap, say, honestly, what the hell do you expect? A perfect name that will come up through "brainstorming"? it wont, people will get fed up and will desperately pick one thing, just to have it all behind. And see, unlike you, who will spam the thread with newer and worse names, I better shut up and don't say anything if I don't like anything else than my choice from the past. Your theory to bring up more more MORE is pretty funny. But sure, please your creativity.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 18, 2009, 11:20:26 am
ehm, let's first narrow things down like Spoon suggested. Then clean up the voting list and keep brainstorming for a while with a clearer target.

Even the weirdest suggestions can give ideas to others to come up with new names and meanings, so i don't see any of the suggestions as a waste.

Hirudo isn't the ideal name because of lack of association with the gameplay. It's classier then many other names, but it would be nice that someone who first hears it has some association with a game, and even better, an action game. Also domain names just aren't available and google will point to different sites.

We should have considered these things last time but we didn't. So now we do it again and try to have a better focus.

So lets say that we go for a name that should:

-not sound dead serious
-clearly shows the competitive nature of the game
-doesn't give a huge pile of google results
-is catchy
-doesn't use tinyfications in it (no emphasis on the size of the creatures)
-is original and ideally has some meaning in it

It's not easy but to everyone suggesting, try to keep this in mind! Objections / additions to the list above?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 18, 2009, 11:42:27 am
Give people one option, and they will cry that they had nothing else to choose.
Give people two options, and you will see a half which goes right way, and second half that goes left way.
Give people three options to choose, and it becomes a chaos already. People will look at this what others chose, so they will belong to the majority, but in the end they do not feel satisfied.
In that case the project has been a total chaos already. That's the nature of this Opensource project. If you don't like it, I suggest you start playing a closed-source game where developers make the decision instead of the community.

Now, when you have so many options, yet you keep loading it with more crap, say, honestly, what the hell do you expect? A perfect name that will come up through "brainstorming"? it wont, people will get fed up and will desperately pick one thing, just to have it all behind. And see, unlike you, who will spam the thread with newer and worse names, I better shut up and don't say anything if I don't like anything else than my choice from the past. Your theory to bring up more more MORE is pretty funny. But sure, please your creativity.

I expect that people will give suggestions where some may be not at all for the game, while some are somewhat for the game, and some are pretty good for the game.  I didn't tell you to shut up because you like an alternative better. But you have no business coming into the thread and trying to harass me into silence because you don't like my suggestions. "More" is not a sign of quality, but it's definatly better with "more" in a suggestions thread than "nothing". If you don't like the suggestions thread, you can argue why it isn't. But telling people to shut up inside the thread itself is missing the point by miles and borderline pathetic IMO.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 18, 2009, 12:14:44 pm
I give you guys few more hours to throw mud, after that the tread will be closed and we'll start from scratch (with only constructive posts).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wander on May 18, 2009, 03:36:07 pm
Bring it on! :D
(http://www.womanthouartgod.com/images/grazimud3.jpg)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Cizin on May 18, 2009, 04:57:22 pm
my suggestion is perfect !


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 18, 2009, 06:28:17 pm
I think these points might be a little problematic:

-not sound dead serious
-clearly shows the competitive nature of the game

The way I understand it, the latter would result in a name with a word like 'battle' or 'combat' or something of the kind, which I don't think is a good thing as such names are used in a lot of different games, making them sound rather dull. In my opinion, the competitive nature doesn't need to be shown in the name. The fun-factor should be more important, and fitting these both in the same name might also turn out to be difficult.

But the rest of the points are good, and I really think all suggestions should be narrowed to ones meeting those requirements. Catchiness means ideally only one-word names, but a maximum of two. Originality could be best achieved by looking into languages other than English (Latin! =).

my suggestion is perfect !

Yeah! 8)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 18, 2009, 06:49:07 pm
I think these points might be a little problematic:

The way I understand it, the latter would result in a name with a word like 'battle' or 'combat' or something of the kind, which I don't think is a good thing as such names are used in a lot of different games, making them sound rather dull. In my opinion, the competitive nature doesn't need to be shown in the name. The fun-factor should be more important, and fitting these both in the same name might also turn out to be difficult.

But the rest of the points are good, and I really think all suggestions should be narrowed to ones meeting those requirements. Catchiness means ideally only one-word names, but a maximum of two. Originality could be best achieved by looking into languages other than English (Latin! =).

Yeah! 8)

So maybe broaden the competitiveness part to something that shows that it's an action packed game?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 19, 2009, 10:55:59 am
LieroZero! Let's make it rhyme!
Pros: sounds good, domain names free, contains Liero for historic connection, dunno about fun/competitiveness.
Cons: doesn't really mean anything (or maybe it means for devs that we won't ever approach version 1.0 :-[ )

Another rhyming variants are AeroLiero (sounds worse) and EroLiero (that's totally different kind of game ;) )


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 19, 2009, 01:12:28 pm
LieroZero! Let's make it rhyme!

Actually, if pronounced correctly, Liero doesn't rhyme with Zero. :P

Aero is a little closer, and about Ero I'm not really sure. If you pronounce it as in the beginning of the word 'erotic', it doesn't rhyme. All in all, I don't think there are any English words that would perfectly rhyme with a Finnish word like Liero.

But LieroZero could be a good name, again only if the word Liero must be kept in there.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 19, 2009, 01:42:30 pm
Liero Evolution is better IMO. 
sounds cooler, and newbies will remebr the name :)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 20, 2009, 01:51:36 am
Avoid picking names based on how they sound, since where you come from and your native vocabulary will determine how you pronounce the words - from your examples of what you think does and doesn't rhyme with Liero, I can tell you say it differently to me.

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So Spoon, got any concrete ideas yet? ;) I've tried a lot of names, but it's hard without knowing too many english words as a non native (goes for most people here off course).

Ey ey ey I'm trying, but I've only been thinking about this for a few days :) You chumps have been going over it for ages it seems :P I doubt the perfect name would be a particularly obscure word from English that I'm likely to know, since if you don't know it you'd miss the point of it :P

Ideally a newbie wouldn't need to look up the name to understand it, it would be ok if it were a latin word that was particularly fitting, but even so it should at least be acceptable as a name - when I saw LieroXtreme I didn't question the name, it suited enough so I just accepted it, to this day I've never looked to see if Liero means something in another language.

Anyway, onward - personally I liked Hirudo and it fitted for me, suitably dark and brooding, while sounding good and as I said, it has that 'ok that's a name for something' factor which I could just accept. However, if people aren't behind it (and by that I mean the people that matter, aside from the wider population who want to throw in every half-baked idea, even though I do agree with you on a certain level that yes, no idea is a bad idea) then something else must be found. So, more closing down of the spectrum.

We're avoiding Worms, we're avoiding 'baby names'. You've punched out a wishlist, however to me there's one big choice left - are we paying tribute to the origins in Liero or not?

Some further notes -

Babyloonya is a nice one, that puts me down the road of coming up with witty changes to words which describe heaven or paradise, might manage something clever, although that would probably be devoid of showcasing the competetive nature etc.

Annibalistic, this seems like a really nice name. I'm concerned that it looks like a type of cannibalistic though.

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While typing this, I've had a little brainwave. As far as words go which fulfil your criteria - Guerrilla does the job nicely. Immediate associations with Guerrilla Warfare, which is in essence very much what this game is. Guerrilla literally translates from Spanish to mean 'Small war' and is characterised by small, highly mobile strike teams.

Anyway, from Wikipedia:

Guerrilla warfare is the unconventional warfare and combat with which a small group of combatants use mobile tactics (ambushes, raids, etc.) to combat a larger and less mobile formal army. The guerrilla army uses ambush (stealth and surprise) and mobility (draw enemy forces to terrain unsuited to them) in attacking vulnerable targets in enemy territory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare

I'm unsure of Guerrilla as a name, however it is growing on me. Anyway, I'm now turning it over in my mind trying to think of another word we could put with it to make an actual name, and also researching it a bit to see if i can't find some other word or name that'd make a good case.

It presents a potential opportunity to throw some culture into the name too :)

Further Edits: Guerrillero means 'guerrilla fighter', made me think of Guerilliero if you wanted to tie that in.

I like the word on another level, this game has a hugely diverse group of players, and if you look at the Wikipedia page for Guerrilla Warfare you'll see nearly every country that I can think is represented in this game, has at some point in their history had a relatively famous group of fighters carrying out guerrilla tactics.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 20, 2009, 11:23:49 am
Avoid picking names based on how they sound, since where you come from and your native vocabulary will determine how you pronounce the words - from your examples of what you think does and doesn't rhyme with Liero, I can tell you say it differently to me.

Ey ey ey I'm trying, but I've only been thinking about this for a few days :) You chumps have been going over it for ages it seems :P I doubt the perfect name would be a particularly obscure word from English that I'm likely to know, since if you don't know it you'd miss the point of it :P

Ideally a newbie wouldn't need to look up the name to understand it, it would be ok if it were a latin word that was particularly fitting, but even so it should at least be acceptable as a name - when I saw LieroXtreme I didn't question the name, it suited enough so I just accepted it, to this day I've never looked to see if Liero means something in another language.

Anyway, onward - personally I liked Hirudo and it fitted for me, suitably dark and brooding, while sounding good and as I said, it has that 'ok that's a name for something' factor which I could just accept. However, if people aren't behind it (and by that I mean the people that matter, aside from the wider population who want to throw in every half-baked idea, even though I do agree with you on a certain level that yes, no idea is a bad idea) then something else must be found. So, more closing down of the spectrum.

We're avoiding Worms, we're avoiding 'baby names'. You've punched out a wishlist, however to me there's one big choice left - are we paying tribute to the origins in Liero or not?

Some further notes -

Babyloonya is a nice one, that puts me down the road of coming up with witty changes to words which describe heaven or paradise, might manage something clever, although that would probably be devoid of showcasing the competetive nature etc.

Annibalistic, this seems like a really nice name. I'm concerned that it looks like a type of cannibalistic though.

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While typing this, I've had a little brainwave. As far as words go which fulfil your criteria - Guerrilla does the job nicely. Immediate associations with Guerrilla Warfare, which is in essence very much what this game is. Guerrilla literally translates from Spanish to mean 'Small war' and is characterised by small, highly mobile strike teams.

Anyway, from Wikipedia:

Guerrilla warfare is the unconventional warfare and combat with which a small group of combatants use mobile tactics (ambushes, raids, etc.) to combat a larger and less mobile formal army. The guerrilla army uses ambush (stealth and surprise) and mobility (draw enemy forces to terrain unsuited to them) in attacking vulnerable targets in enemy territory.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Guerrilla_warfare

I'm unsure of Guerrilla as a name, however it is growing on me. Anyway, I'm now turning it over in my mind trying to think of another word we could put with it to make an actual name, and also researching it a bit to see if i can't find some other word or name that'd make a good case.

It presents a potential opportunity to throw some culture into the name too :)

Further Edits: Guerrillero means 'guerrilla fighter', made me think of Guerilliero if you wanted to tie that in.

I like the word on another level, this game has a hugely diverse group of players, and if you look at the Wikipedia page for Guerrilla Warfare you'll see nearly every country that I can think is represented in this game, has at some point in their history had a relatively famous group of fighters carrying out guerrilla tactics.

good input! Now about tributing old Liero or not. Personally I favor a strong name because it will feel like a fresh start and showing that there are new elements in the game. It's a new programming team, almost all code is rewritten and the interface will get a big overhaul. So it will be a tribute to all the work that went into this. It would be nice if we could get the general opinion from the developers on this. I will put it on their mailing list.

So I don't think we "need" the direct association with Liero in the name. But we should always mention the legacy of the game and use it in our search engine profiling.

Guerilla fits very well as a basis but it becomes very hard to pronounce / spell when it's extended to something like guerillero. Not sure if it could evolve to something suitable.

Ascaris: It doesn't sound bad to me, comparable to Hirudo in most aspects (without Japanese sound). Lacks a bit of personality?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 20, 2009, 11:50:02 am
re anniballistic: It doesn't mean much difference in regards to pronounciation, but my suggestion was "Aniballistic" with one less n which keeps it a tiny bit mroe away from "cannibalistic", though I can definatly see and hear the resembelance still.

Ascaris is a "weak" word. You don't hear much strongness from it when you pronounce the word. I think we need somthing powerfull like "Might" or "Ragnarok" or something (which isn't as used already of course though.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 20, 2009, 04:57:20 pm
Ascaris is a "weak" word. You don't hear much strongness from it when you pronounce the word. I think we need somthing powerfull like "Might" or "Ragnarok" or something (which isn't as used already of course though.

I'm not really sure if your two examples sound 'strong' because of their actual pronunciation, or the associations you have with them. 'Might' doesn't seem to have any particularly strong letters, but of course it's a short word so that might create a feeling of strength. 'Ragnarok' has some strong sounding r's and k's, but so does Ascaris (as the c should be pronounced as a k).

I still think Ascaris would make a very good name. It might lack a bit of personality, but the certain exoticness about it could well make it more memorable than some English words. And it's also pretty simple to type and pronounce compared to a lot of the clever wordplays suggested here.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 20, 2009, 05:28:56 pm
I dislike Ascaris because it's intestinal parasite worm, IMO better to use Hirudo which has less brutal meaning (at least it's used in medicine).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 20, 2009, 05:29:58 pm
Might is mostly powerfull due to the associations we have to the word. Ragnarok is strong by association as well (rok=rock). Ascaris doesn't work too well in that repsect in my opinion due to the fact that "ask" and "car" aren't such powerfull associative words, which is what people will be pronouncing when they say the name. "Ari" is relatively strong though and may outweigh it for some/most people, but it doesn't do it for me at least.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 20, 2009, 05:53:38 pm
Well, if a feeling of strength is really necessary in the name, I still think Ascaris is superior to Hirudo, for instance. The only association I have with Hirudo is that it sounds Japanese, and it could be some kind of a martial art because of the ending -do. Words like Aniballistic don't sound too strong either, maybe because they are simply too long. So I'm not really sure if this strength aspect is all that important. :P

I dislike Ascaris because it's intestinal parasite worm, IMO better to use Hirudo which has less brutal meaning (at least it's used in medicine).
I think the meaning doesn't really matter that much either. To me it's a good enough meaning that the name has something to do with worms.

Also, why should the meaning be less brutal? Don't you think the game is in fact quite brutal, with cute little creatures shooting each other into bloody pieces? ;)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Cizin on May 20, 2009, 06:34:46 pm
Leeches are just as gross as parasitic worms so it doesn't really seem to matter, and people don't really care what the name means when you see it as a game name, like did i care what Hirudo means the first 8 months after hearing it? No.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wooper on May 20, 2009, 07:38:41 pm
I don't see why the name should be related to worms... Unless you cut the amount of skins and make them impossible to modify.

Sure something related to worms, like Ascaris, sounds cool to me, but it shouldn't be a must.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 21, 2009, 01:14:59 am
Aniballistic isn't such a powerfull word indeed. Personally I like the combo of animal and ballistic though, but then again I made the suggestion :P

I'll have to agree with Pelya though. Leeches are cool in my book and intestinal worms are less cool. Plus I'm a sucker for Japanese words.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hatten on May 21, 2009, 12:24:39 pm
I think intestinal worms are awesome! They are like hiding and backstabbing, and keeping away from the enemy. Exactly like LX!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 22, 2009, 10:28:21 am
Intestinal worms - ideally no. Ascaris doesn't sound good enough to be worth it, given it's meaning :P


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 22, 2009, 08:54:10 pm
this is what i got from the developers:

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"Liero" is absolutly not a must in the name but I would like to have a 
relation somehow to worms (or you get an idea about something else 
which also identifies with the game somehow).

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I would like to keep it, but it's okay for me if we'll abandon it.
If we're going to keep it, Liero Evolution is my vote, if not then Hirudo or
Blastiny.
Also as I've said before, my common sense often fails, that's why I've made
that poll in the first place, so if you have some strong favorite for name,
and Ruki and DC have the same one I'll just accept it.

This means that we can still go both ways but if we go for Liero in the name, Liero Evolution is something that most seem to agree on.

So i propose that we try to come up with about 3 other names besides Hirudo & Ascaris (I think we can't ignore Ascaris because several people like it a lot).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 24, 2009, 03:31:46 pm
For now I'm stuck, I can't put thought into it atm as I have another exam looming.

Currently thinking our best options are:

- reverting to Battlefrogs: Webisode 16, The Return of the Unrelated Naming System and Manifestation of the Interuniversal Toad Threat
- reversing the standard worm skin (such that it curls around backward), default colouring them all pink and naming it Hardcore Prawn



Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Rakkula on May 24, 2009, 08:17:35 pm
I've been thinking about this name change thing and now I happen to agree that if the developers want to change the name, then go ahead.
         There's a catch though: if you change the name of the game, you will break the backwards compatibility, right? I mean... it would be stupid to have "two" different games and you can still play them together. On the other hand, should you drop the backwards compability, you will split the community in two.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 24, 2009, 08:20:38 pm
I've been thinking about this name change thing and now I happen to agree that if the developers want to change the name, then go ahead.
         There's a catch though: if you change the name of the game, you will break the backwards compatibility, right? I mean... it would be stupid to have "two" different games and you can still play them together. On the other hand, should you drop the backwards compability, you will split the community in two.

Of course the compatibility will not be dropped. It would be stupid to do. And it also will not be a different game after the name change. Just the name changes (perhaps some menu graphics will be changed also).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Rakkula on May 24, 2009, 08:22:43 pm
Of course the compatibility will not be dropped. It would be stupid to do. And it also will not be a different game after the name change. Just the name changes (perhaps some menu graphics will be changed also).
I know it will be the same game. What I mean is that name change is usually the result of some radical changes after which the old name (it's meaning + tradition) doesn't fit in anymore.

Bah... Then there will always be OpenLieroX and Hirudo. Most will still play the older versions (me included) and the rest the new Hirudo version. It just sounds stupid to have a game with two names...


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 24, 2009, 08:26:44 pm
Bah... Then there will always be OpenLieroX and Hirudo. Most will still play the older versions (me included). It just sounds stupid to have a game with two names...

That doesn't make sense. Why would you play the old version iff there is compatibility?
There is also LieroX and OLX is compatible to LX.

The game will not have two names. The game (OLX) will always have one single name (once we changed the name, there is no game anymore named OLX; at least not ours, because ours has the new name then).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Rakkula on May 24, 2009, 08:39:48 pm
That doesn't make sense. Why would you play the old version iff there is compatibility? There is also LieroX and OLX is compatible to LX.
It makes perfect sense. I don't like the new versions because they're not in balance with the older ones. You're right aswell though... Liero would have 3 different names instead of just one! Brilliant!
The game will not have two names (It'll have 3!). The game (OLX) will always have one single name (once we changed the name, there is no game anymore named OLX; at least not ours, because ours has the new name then).
Wtf? I mean...if I download the older versions, they'll still have the OLX name in them. So the older names will stay around...


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 24, 2009, 08:56:18 pm
It makes perfect sense. I don't like the new versions because they're not in balance with the older ones.

That is going a bit OT. If you see that there is something wrong, please help us fixing that instead of just saying that you don't like it. We are putting hard work in it (years of work...) and such statements that you don't like it really absolutly doesn't help at all.

You're right aswell though... Liero would have 3 different names instead of just one! Brilliant!Wtf? I mean...if I download the older versions, they'll still have the OLX name in them. So the older names will stay around...

For the old version, sure. So? I don't really get your point. (For example, Windows Vista also has the single name Windows Vista and not multiple names; though you can still get Windows XP, same thing with a different name; though you would not say that Vista has multiple names, it has a single name - Vista. Although it's the same as XP (based on same code - just the same situation as what we would have).)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 24, 2009, 09:10:52 pm
Do I have to understand this so that when the game will be renamed Hirudo or Liero Evolution or whatsoever, it will still be compatible with LieroX and OpenLieroX? I don't think that would be in any way clever. As far as I'm concerned, you could drop the backwards compatibility already, but definitely you shouldn't rename the game until it is in some kind of a stable stage so that the compatibility can really be dropped. It would be nice if everyone was playing the same game once again (I mean the same game with each other, not the same old buggy game).

But I have also understood the name will not be changed in a good while. So I just hope the game will be somewhat stable when it is finally renamed.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 24, 2009, 09:15:34 pm
Do I have to understand this so that when the game will be renamed Hirudo or Liero Evolution or whatsoever, it will still be compatible with LieroX and OpenLieroX? I don't think that would be in any way clever. As far as I'm concerned, you could drop the backwards compatibility already, but definitely you shouldn't rename the game until it is in some kind of a stable stage so that the compatibility can really be dropped. It would be nice if everyone was playing the same game once again (I mean the same game with each other, not the same old buggy game).

But I have also understood the name will not be changed in a good while. So I just hope the game will be somewhat stable when it is finally renamed.

It doesn't make sense to drop the compatibility because of a name change. (Should have MS dropped the compatibility to WinXP because they renamed it for the new version to WinVista??)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 24, 2009, 09:23:56 pm
It doesn't make sense to drop the compatibility because of a name change. (Should have MS dropped the compatibility to WinXP because they renamed it for the new version to WinVista??)

Most definitely not, but I don't think it makes any more sense to have three names for different games that can still be used to play together, especially when there are such differences between the three. Your comparison with Windows feels a little out of place to me.

In conclusion: a name change is not a good reason to drop the compatibility, but the name change itself should not be made without good reasons either. To me, good reasons would be e.g. radical differences to the previous version(s), maybe even so radical that they wouldn't be compatible with each other anymore. But if you want it to be just a cosmetic change, then fine.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 24, 2009, 09:30:55 pm
Most definitely not, but I don't think it makes any more sense to have three names for different games that can still be used to play together, especially when there are such differences between the three. Your comparison with Windows feels a little out of place to me.

In conclusion: a name change is not a good reason to drop the compatibility, but the name change itself should not be made without good reasons either. To me, good reasons would be e.g. radical differences to the previous version(s), maybe even so radical that they wouldn't be compatible with each other anymore. But if you want it to be just a cosmetic change, then fine.

To say it again: It is stupid to drop compatibility, because code-wise, there is just no reason to do it. That is also when implementing new features. You will still be able to play with old versions (whereby you don't have the new features then).

And we are not just dropping the compatibility for fun, to have a reason for a name change.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 24, 2009, 09:37:21 pm
And we are not just dropping the compatibility for fun, to have a reason for a name change.

Well then I would like to ask, if I may, what reason is there for a name change at all? Is it going to be, as I suggested, purely a cosmetic change? So you just want to get rid of the old name and change it to something 'cooler', even though essentially it's still the same game?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wooper on May 24, 2009, 09:51:40 pm
To say it again: It is stupid to drop compatibility, because code-wise, there is just no reason to do it. That is also when implementing new features. You will still be able to play with old versions (whereby you don't have the new features then).

And we are not just dropping the compatibility for fun, to have a reason for a name change.

Why not change the whole masterserver, I hate how the difference in versions affects how people die etc..


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 24, 2009, 11:11:26 pm
Why not change the whole masterserver, I hate how the difference in versions affects how people die etc..

Please open a bug report and describe exactly in which way it is different. Don't just say that it is different. We don't have any reports at all that it is different, so I wonder about it.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: DarkCharlie on May 24, 2009, 11:15:28 pm
Well then I would like to ask, if I may, what reason is there for a name change at all? Is it going to be, as I suggested, purely a cosmetic change?
Yes.

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So you just want to get rid of the old name and change it to something 'cooler', even though essentially it's still the same game?

Exactly. OpenLieroX is not a good name - hard to pronounce, hard to remember, long, contains X, has no special meaning, is not cool, people have no associations for it and it's made up of three words which makes people to write it variously (Open LieroX, Open Liero X, OpenLiero X, OpenLieroXtreme, Open Liero eXtreme, ...). Do you think such a name is perfect?

Oh, by the way, I dodn't make that names up, they really are used... Just search google.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 24, 2009, 11:16:52 pm
Well then I would like to ask, if I may, what reason is there for a name change at all? Is it going to be, as I suggested, purely a cosmetic change? So you just want to get rid of the old name and change it to something 'cooler', even though essentially it's still the same game?

The argument was that OpenLieroX is a bad name. That was the only argument. We don't have any other concrete reason right now for the name change. Perhaps, after we have included parts of Gusanos in OLX, that would give another reason for a name change (or at least a better time).

So, do you agree with that or not? That is why we had also the option in the poll to leave the old name.

If you also think that OpenLieroX is a bad name, what would you suggest? Just stay with the name because there is no other reason for a name change? Or just "make-up" some reason? Or just change it at a good time (for example after Gusanos inclusion) without further reasons?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 24, 2009, 11:26:03 pm
Yes.

Exactly. OpenLieroX is not a good name - hard to pronounce, hard to remember, long, contains X, has no special meaning, is not cool, people have no associations for it and it's made up of three words which makes people to write it variously (Open LieroX, Open Liero X, OpenLiero X, OpenLieroXtreme, Open Liero eXtreme, ...). Do you think such a name is perfect?

Oh, by the way, I dodn't make that names up, they really are used... Just search google.

Yup.

Just one disagree: The name OpenLieroX has a meaning (pretty obvious): It is the open source version of LieroX. And you can also see from the name that it is a Liero clone.

Whereby I fully agree with most others here, that it is not that important to point out that the game is based on LX code in the name of it. Another point is that the name LieroX is not very nice, esp. when extended further.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 24, 2009, 11:56:59 pm
I see now. I thought this name change thing was going to be related to some bigger changes in the game, but I was mistaken.

Personally, I don't think the name should be changed for purely cosmetic reasons, and you should reserve it for the future when there are 'better' reasons to do it. But I do understand the disadvantages of the current name and will shut my mouth on this subject for now. :-X


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wander on May 24, 2009, 11:59:49 pm
The argument was that OpenLieroX is a bad name. That was the only argument. We don't have any other concrete reason right now for the name change. Perhaps, after we have included parts of Gusanos in OLX, that would give another reason for a name change (or at least a better time).

So, do you agree with that or not? That is why we had also the option in the poll to leave the old name.

If you also think that OpenLieroX is a bad name, what would you suggest? Just stay with the name because there is no other reason for a name change? Or just "make-up" some reason? Or just change it at a good time (for example after Gusanos inclusion) without further reasons?
Ah, i too misunderstood this whole topic.
Isn't it the idea to work towards one last version and then just say "Well, we are done here, finally finished!!"?
I thought we were voting/coming up with suggestions for the name of such a finished game. That game should definitely have a whole new and fresh name, without OpenX's and other nasty stuff (and without compatibility to OLX). The names Liero Evolution, Hirudo or Blastiny would all fit such a game.

However, if we are simply debating here about another temporary name, that changes the whole question.
In such case i think a namechange is optional, but very weird! A couple of years ago, this name was chosen. Nothing has changed since then, right?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 25, 2009, 12:10:52 am
Ah, i too misunderstood this whole topic.
Isn't it the idea to work towards one last version and then just say "Well, we are done here, finally finished!!"?
I thought we were voting/coming up with suggestions for the name of such a finished game. That game should definitely have a whole new and fresh name, without OpenX's and other nasty stuff (and without compatibility to OLX). The names Liero Evolution, Hirudo or Blastiny would all fit such a game.

However, if we are simply debating here about another temporary name, that changes the whole question.
In such case i think a namechange is optional, but very weird! A couple of years ago, this name was chosen. Nothing has changed since then, right?

About which game are you speaking? We will not stop the development on OLX, so there will be no last version, there will (hopefully) always be some further versions (perhaps with other devs in 10 years, who knows).

And also, we will just never drop the compatibility, because it doesn't make sense to do so. We will rather include more compatibility. For example I would like to have Gusanos compatibility.

Also, we will wait with the name change anyway to a time where it is appropriate. For example when we included parts of Gusanos. That will be perhaps in 6-12 months or so.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: DarkCharlie on May 25, 2009, 12:11:15 am
Ah, i too misunderstood this whole topic.
Isn't it the idea to work towards one last version and then just say "Well, we are done here, finally finished!!"?
I thought we were voting/coming up with suggestions for the name of such a finished game. That game should definitely have a whole new and fresh name, without OpenX's and other nasty stuff (and without compatibility to OLX). The names Liero Evolution, Hirudo or Blastiny would all fit such a game.

However, if we are simply debating here about another temporary name, that changes the whole question.
In such case i think a namechange is optional, but very weird! A couple of years ago, this name was chosen. Nothing has changed since then, right?

It's not temporary, it will be here forever ;) So you better vote for something meaningful :)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wander on May 25, 2009, 12:34:49 am


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 25, 2009, 01:53:41 am
Off course the name change will come with a new version of the game including new features and a refined user interface with new graphics. Together with all changes that already come with OLX, it's a good time to do it.

And because there will be a different modding system introduced,  it will be right time (but that isn't nearly done yet right now).

So I don't think it's only a cosmetic change.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 25, 2009, 12:15:00 pm
Another reason for name change is that I don't want the number after "Beta" to grow to two digits :D Beta10 is kinda lame, better to call it RC or change version number to 0.58 or 0.60.

I will name Beta8 as the most stable and bug-less version out of all Betas, not counting that MaxUploadBandwidth bug which was serious fail.
Beta9 was planned as a quick fix for that, but we kept adding new features and fixing existing bugs, and now we only fixing bugs, so hopefully Beta9 will be most stable of them all, and satisfy everyone.
Plus it includes some features which can change game totally - for example with join-during-game stuff and unlimited lives you can totally get rid of lobby, as Benno desired, also we have new gamemodes - H&S, Team CTF and Race.
But it still keeps the same net engine, where you have de-synchronization of your shots on your screen and opponent screen, although my "new net engine" works somehow it's still not usable.
There are too many cumulative changes, so I think we can change the name already, yet we'll try to rename it when we'll make some big change like including Gusanos code, or working new net engine ;) .


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 25, 2009, 03:07:02 pm
Another reason for name change is that I don't want the number after "Beta" to grow to two digits :D Beta10 is kinda lame, better to call it RC or change version number to 0.58 or 0.60.

That's not necessarily a reason for a name change, but it is indeed a reason to change the way we are counting and naming the different versions. I highly agree with you. Probably the next Beta9 will be the last Beta9.

After that, I would suggest to make some rare stable releases (in the same way and time intervall we are doing the Betas now) and the Betas far more often. Also, before making a final, we can make some RCs. I would suggest that after that Beta9, we can make the first RC1 (0.60? or some higher version number. perhaps 1.0 already?) or so and then perhaps a final or another RC2.

But this is going a bit OT. But perhaps, when we are doing the name change, that could be for all versions >1, which are preparing the 2.0.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 25, 2009, 04:56:56 pm
Sorry to be a somewhat blunt blast from the past, but my original understanding of the 'Hirudo' concept was that you guys had lots of great ideas and things you wanted to put into the game, but couldn't because you wanted to keep things compatible with the arcane coding of .56b. The initial plan was to take your fresh workings and create a fully _new_ game which didn't actually tie itself to the original in any way, your own work which played similarly but was in every way better, more stable, more flexible for modding, skinning and a mapmaking.

I thought the whole point was that once you were ready you'd release something which was not infact OLX but a different game altogether, where backward compatibility with what is essentially buggy, closed source code would no longer hold you back.

Entire excercise seems rather futile if you're unwilling to take that leap of faith and make this truly your own?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 25, 2009, 05:12:49 pm
Sorry to be a somewhat blunt blast from the past, but my original understanding of the 'Hirudo' concept was that you guys had lots of great ideas and things you wanted to put into the game, but couldn't because you wanted to keep things compatible with the arcane coding of .56b. The initial plan was to take your fresh workings and create a fully _new_ game which didn't actually tie itself to the original in any way, your own work which played similarly but was in every way better, more stable, more flexible for modding, skinning and a mapmaking.

I thought the whole point was that once you were ready you'd release something which was not infact OLX but a different game altogether, where backward compatibility with what is essentially buggy, closed source code would no longer hold you back.

Entire excercise seems rather futile if you're unwilling to take that leap of faith and make this truly your own?

It is not anymore the case that backward compatibility hold us back. In fact, keeping it has led to more stable and clean code. And we can just implement any possible feature now and it is absolutly not a problem to keep the old LX56 physics engine in. (You just have to believe us there, because we write the code. You can of course get involved in the development if you want to help, then you can see that yourself.)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hugglebunny on May 25, 2009, 10:12:08 pm
Man.. This is totally of topic. You are supposed to decide the name not the difference between the betas. Even though the name might not be on the next one. It should still be a new one. So go on find the name


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 25, 2009, 10:28:47 pm
Man.. This is totally of topic. You are supposed to decide the name not the difference between the betas. Even though the name might not be on the next one. It should still be a new one. So go on find the name

Full ack. I moved all posts related to differences in different versions and not related to the name to another thread. If anyone wants to say something about the differences between versions, please do that in the other thread.

This thread is not about differences, it is about the name change.

The name change will take place for the next bigger extensions in OLX. That is probably when we include Gusanos support, together with a new menu system and some other new stuff.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wooper on May 25, 2009, 10:40:08 pm
Please open a bug report and describe exactly in which way it is different. Don't just say that it is different. We don't have any reports at all that it is different, so I wonder about it.
Go to the game and hear the cries. ;)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 25, 2009, 10:40:28 pm
Sorry to be a somewhat blunt blast from the past, but my original understanding of the 'Hirudo' concept was that you guys had lots of great ideas and things you wanted to put into the game, but couldn't because you wanted to keep things compatible with the arcane coding of .56b. The initial plan was to take your fresh workings and create a fully _new_ game which didn't actually tie itself to the original in any way, your own work which played similarly but was in every way better, more stable, more flexible for modding, skinning and a mapmaking.

I thought the whole point was that once you were ready you'd release something which was not infact OLX but a different game altogether, where backward compatibility with what is essentially buggy, closed source code would no longer hold you back.

Entire excercise seems rather futile if you're unwilling to take that leap of faith and make this truly your own?

it's not about having a lot of great ideas. there is no masterplan behind OLX, just restructering the code and making it possible to add "anything" (which is IMO worse then having a clear focus on where you want the game to be in say, one year from now).

But at the same time, it happens that the game will be totally different (maybe more by accident then by plan). We will give it a new, much needed interface to improve the user experience. And then there will be a complete new modding system. This won't *break* compatibility with anything old, but new mods will never work under OLX. And there will be a lot of gusanos modifications available once it's done.

If you look at it this way, you will still be able to play with older clients, but they will have a very compelling reason to upgrade to Hirudo / Liero Evolution / etc

.. and so I think it's good to give it a new name. Another reason is that many current players associate olx with bugginess. They (understandably) won't see the reasons behind those bugs, and that they happened because of a refactoring of the whole code base.

I also think that oldies keep with the old version because of cult reasons. They have had some bad experiences with a few beta's (they are called BETA for a reason..) and now it's pretty damn cool to stay with oldskool LX. Everyone that tested the latest code on a regular base knows that it's very stable and gameplay is great between beta9's.

So it's time for the final and then move on!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 26, 2009, 08:10:04 am
Well, taking that into account, I can't see a name better than Hirudo, or Liero Evolution. Both names have issues that will bother some people, but in their own rights they are both highly suitable names that sound good, have good reason and meaning behind them, and 'work'. In all honesty I would say it boils down to which people prefer, perhaps the liero tie is important given that this is becoming an all encompassing game which runs compatability with not just old versions of OLX and LX, but also Gusanos in the near future.

Seriously though, I think those two names fit the bill depending on what angle you're coming from, from my point of view I think no other name really challenges those two in their own rights.

Hell you could even call it Hirudo: Liero Evolution, though not as a full name since it's too long. Hirudo, with 'sub title' of Liero Evolution makes sense. Such a working title (and sub-title) works as a full rename, while tipping it's hat (in a more minor, but still significant way) to the backround if the game.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Raziel on May 26, 2009, 08:28:38 am
(...)

Hell you could even call it Hirudo: Liero Evolution, though not as a full name since it's too long. Hirudo, with 'sub title' of Liero Evolution makes sense. Such a working title (and sub-title) works as a full rename, while tipping it's hat (in a more minor, but still significant way) to the backround if the game.

I can accept that. Being more detailed about the name sometimes is pretty good idea and doesn't disturb at all. Hirudo: Liero Evolution sounds just right, so as for me, you finally hit the Bull's Eye Spoon. Congratulations.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Shade on May 26, 2009, 08:47:26 am


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 26, 2009, 08:59:10 am
Hmn, Revolution or Evolution.

I think Evolution seeing as this is a slow burning process that is a culmination of growth, rather than a sudden overthrowing of all that we know. :P


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Quaqa on May 26, 2009, 09:25:37 am
just like spoon I dont think Revolution is a good name, because I cant really see that we or anyone else have made a revolution againt anything.

but Evolution on the other hand hit right on the spot I think. its logic, good looking, and sound right when you say it  :)
and about 'Hirudo: Liero Evolution', it could be nice, but also a bit complicated. and what would be a good shortening for it? HLE? or just LE? or just skip the liero part and have it Hirudo?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: kaptengu on May 26, 2009, 10:06:48 am
I vote for OpenLieroX. Worst case I could go with OpenLieroX: Hirudo, not the other way around. The connection to the classic game is important. Ever heard of Gusanos? No, because you didn't know it's a Liero-clone.

The name LieroX makes the classic game Liero look good. Hirudo sounds like a modern game that looks really bad, compared to other modern games. And you can't change this without loosing the original game feeling.

Since I don't play anymore I don't really care what you decide, but I think you are making a mistake if you change it too much.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RussG on May 26, 2009, 11:05:08 am
Openlierox is fine, leave it


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Wander on May 26, 2009, 12:15:52 pm
Hirudo: Liero Evolution sounds well indeed!
However, we still have the same problem of domain names being taken and Google not finding us as first on the list. I think those are major issues which should not be ignored just because it 'sounds right'.

However, 'Liero Evolution' can still be a subtitle. We just have to find a better first name.
Personally i don't think a title like 'Blastiny: Liero Evolution' sounds any worse.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 26, 2009, 01:56:23 pm
Openlierox is fine, leave it

Did you miss the last 2 pages in particular where the basic decision to have a new name was justified?

Regarding length, I was suggesting the Liero Evo bit as a sub-title, and naturally it would be shortened to HLE etc if named in conversations. That stuff doesn't need to be worried about.

About the google thing. I'm not entirely sure how google works but I'm pretty sure you guys aren't either. I'm betting that if we made a site all about it, and named it all over as you would, pretty quickly we'd hit top spot on google for Hirudo, Liero Evolution. These terms are not exactly used elsewhere.

About having heard of it, i.e. Gusanos. I've heard of Gusanos because I'm that sort of person. I think a lot of people are short-sighted with regard to new people finding this game. How many players here found the game because they knew about Liero and wanted it/found the better LX? Older players, sure. Originally that was how a lot found it, the playerbase was older. Now it's mostly younger guys who get it through their mates.

I don't see people random finding this game on google, unless we do some serious marketing at larger gamesites and whatnot, and all that will require a better more polished image to present as a 'finished game'. Hell I'll even write to some big magazines that I know to be openminded regarding community driven games. But that's another topic.

The reason I named Hirudo with the subtitle is because given that overall I see Hirudo and Liero Evolution as the two most well received/accepted names, adding them together does not infact make for a bad name.. and it goes further to please more than any other suggestion I've seen so far.

Mostly I'm awaiting more opinions - don't get me wrong, I'm not pushing the name because it was my suggestion, but because it makes a logical solution to a problem that a purely creative solution will cause more animosity than agreement, due to the vastly differing values held by this widely varied community. I don't even play this game anymore, but I figured I'd try help given that this community was once a very large part of my online life.

Anyway, awaiting more comments and opinions. Preferably thought out, explained and backed up, rather than throwaway comments that don't help anyone :)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 26, 2009, 02:06:13 pm
That three word name is okay for me, maybe it sounds bit like bad sequel but many good games sounded like that. And even Raziel agreed on it.
So everyone will choose the most fitting word in conversations, either Liero or Hirudo.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 26, 2009, 02:33:01 pm
Looks like we're coming to an agreement :) The combination crossed my mind as well and the subtitle part isn't that bad.

SEO is not a big concern, we will get it up there. We'd only have to find a domain name. Something like hirudo-le or hirudo-game..


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 26, 2009, 03:12:24 pm
Looks like we're coming to an agreement :) The combination crossed my mind as well and the subtitle part isn't that bad.

SEO is not a big concern, we will get it up there. We'd only have to find a domain name. Something like hirudo-le or hirudo-game..

I still don't like the Hirudo part that much. I would vote perhaps just for Liero Evolution. (www.liero-evolution.org is available) (whereby some other good suggestions also came up lately in this thread). Not sure about the other devs. Pelya also didn't liked it in the beginning (he said it just sounds too Japanese and too strange for somebody who has no idea what it means - something I have to agree with), not sure if he is obliging now or if he really likes it when put in that combination.

I am also not sure about the impression Hirudo is giving to someone who just never have heard of it. I would perhaps think of some Japanese anime movie - but not about a worms game / liero clone.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Nets on May 26, 2009, 03:28:02 pm
I agree. Hirudo would probably bring us Japanese or Chinese players. I think Liero Evolution sounds cool , it's catchy and yet it still tells that the game we are  dealing with , is "Liero". However , i got another idea , why not make a trailer once uhh , the Betas are done or so and tag it under some popular Tags in Youtube as in (2d , shooter , frag and so on) i think we might have a chance <- OFFTOPIC. But yeah.. Liero Evolution fits...

also Liero Reborn as an idea (little simple-minded , but yeah..)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: miri on May 26, 2009, 08:22:24 pm
I thought the name Hirudo was going to be used for an advanced version of LX incompatible to whatever OLX.
Ps, http://www.hirudo-forums.net/ is available


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hatten on May 26, 2009, 08:32:40 pm
The Hirudo in Hirudo: Liero Evolution can easily be changed. Not everybody likes it and domain names are taken. Names such as Blastiny: Liero Evolution does also work. I think Swormed: Liero Evolution feels a little bit odd, worms+liero in the same name. About shortening it to HLE, i don't think it should be done, think about Wesnoth, the correct name is Battle For Wesnoth, but almost nobody says bfw.
I thought the name Hirudo was going to be used for an advanced version of LX incompatible to whatever OLX.
Ps, http://www.hirudo-forums.net/ is available
yeah, but thats for the forums, the homepage shouldnt have forum in the URL...


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Cloud on May 26, 2009, 08:38:23 pm
I prefer just Liero Evolution by itself, that way when people refer to this game, most times they will just say "Liero".

But anyways, all these domain names are available.

Hirudo.us
Hirudo.ca
Hirudo.biz
Hirudoonline.com
Hirudolieroevolution.com
HirudoLE.com
LieroEvolution.com


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: miri on May 26, 2009, 09:08:17 pm
The two reasons why the name was going to be changed were:
-OpenLieroXtreme was too long.
-Some developers didn't like Hirudo due to it sounding Asian.

And now you are coming to an agreement with Hirudo: Liero Evolution?

....


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 26, 2009, 09:20:09 pm
The two reasons why the name was going to be changed were:
-OpenLieroXtreme was too long.
-Some developers didn't like Hirudo due to it sounding Asian.

And now you are coming to an agreement with Hirudo: Liero Evolution?

....

No, you are wrong in first and third assumption. Read through this thread, it's already said multiple times in detail here.

In short:

(OpenLieroX is the name, not OpenLieroXtreme.) Anyway, this name is not that good for some reasons. This thread is a bit also the discussion if it is good enough or if it should be changed.

Hirudo was never an official name. It came up by a similar (but much less thoughtfull) discussion/poll two years ago but the name change was never made.

Hirudo: Liero Evolution is also not fixed yet and as also said, most people still don't like the Hirudo part in it, so that will most probably also not be the final name.

This whole discussion came up again because some people (me included) were not that happy with Hirudo, mostly because it doesn't give good impressions when somebody hears that name.

And this discussion is also not finished yet.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 26, 2009, 09:42:06 pm
Ascaris: Liero Evolution. ALE! 8)

No, Hirudo is still by far the best candidate (could be with the subtitle also). Maybe most people don't like it, but a lot of people seem to agree on it, at least more so than on the other suggestions. I would like to think a lot of these people also have good arguments for their opinion, from what I've read in this thread.

Hirudo: Liero Evolution is also not fixed yet and as also said, most people still don't like the Hirudo part in it, so that will most probably also not be the final name.
I think you should realize that you are most likely never going to find a name that would please everyone, or even the majority of the community. At some point, you (the developers) are just going to have to decide on one name, if you really want it changed.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Ruki on May 26, 2009, 09:51:48 pm
I agree. Hirudo would probably bring us Japanese or Chinese players. I think Liero Evolution sounds cool , it's catchy and yet it still tells that the game we are  dealing with , is "Liero". However , i got another idea , why not make a trailer once uhh , the Betas are done or so and tag it under some popular Tags in Youtube as in (2d , shooter , frag and so on) i think we might have a chance <- OFFTOPIC. But yeah.. Liero Evolution fits...
Why not calling it Liero Europe then? It will bring European players and you can still call it LE as you would do it with Liero Evolution. Trailer is a good idea! I think Run once hosted a contest where people should create a promo video for LieroX but it failed. Tafka recently did something similar :P (video, not contest). You have it in Google videos.

For everyone... Just read this again:
When you are deciding about the name take into the account that you should also consider it from wider perspective not just your own. You know the game under LieroXtreme or LieroX, or maybe you are too young for that so you know it under OpenLieroX or OLX. See, there was a change already and before that there was LieroX Pro and there could also be LieroX Enhanced... We would all like to see the word LieroX remain, as we are used to it, we grew up with it. However, this word has no meaning for new commers. Neither Liero Millenium Edition, neither Liero MMVCIDXIII or something else like that.

There should be an appealing name chosen for new commers.

I hope you agree that it doesn't matter what name it has for us, who already are in the community. What would be the point of changing the name for us!? We could remain with OpenLieroX for ever and that would be it, all happy. We are changing it with a bigger view, to get more people attracted into it and for sure we won't do that by naming it Liero. Those few nostalgics will join anyway.

I voted for OpenLieroX the first time but I'll vote for Swormed (I voted for Hirudo) now. Unless there is no new suggestions it should be called either Hirudo or Swormed. What would be the point of changing the name from OpenLieroX into SomethingLieroSomething??? As I already said, ask yourself why we need or want a change in the first place. New commers.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 26, 2009, 10:03:06 pm
Ascaris: Liero Evolution. ALE! 8)

No, Hirudo is still by far the best candidate (could be with the subtitle also). Maybe most people don't like it, but a lot of people seem to agree on it, at least more so than on the other suggestions. I would like to think a lot of these people also have good arguments for their opinion, from what I've read in this thread.
I think you should realize that you are most likely never going to find a name that would please everyone, or even the majority of the community. At some point, you (the developers) are just going to have to decide on one name, if you really want it changed.

If you are arguing by the amount of votes and opinions, there are more people who would prefer OpenLieroX over Hirudo. Me included, I would prefer the old name OpenLieroX over Hirudo. Not that the impression of the name OLX is much better but at least there is some more sense in it. But anyway, the amount of opinions/votes here in this thread will just give us some impressions but will not make the final descision.

The reason for the namechange was mainly that the name gives a better impression about the game, for people who have never heard of it.

Hirudo doesn't give good impressions - or it gives the wrong impressions. Just be a bit serious here, if you hear about the name "Hirudo", what would you think? You either have no idea what to think because it just says nothing to you, or you think of something Japanese, perhaps some Anime or something like that.

A lot of names which were suggested here are better in this respect (their impression), even some of which I critised to be too trivial.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 26, 2009, 11:01:59 pm
Hirudo doesn't give good impressions - or it gives the wrong impressions. Just be a bit serious here, if you hear about the name "Hirudo", what would you think? You either have no idea what to think because it just says nothing to you, or you think of something Japanese, perhaps some Anime or something like that.

What did you think the first time you heard the word "apple" in referance to a computer?

What did you think when you first heard "ipod"?

What did you think when you first heard "Wii"?

What did you think when you first heard "Liero"?

The point was and remains the same: OLX is a third derivative name. The game needs a NEW name. If it's pronouncable and not too hard to spell, while sticking to your brain, it is enough. If those demands are fullfilled, the only thing that needs to do the job, is the game itself. If it is good enough, people will connect "Hirudo" (or whatever other name we should chose) to a bloody 2D-game. If the product is good enough, and the brand name isn't too horrible (if you call it "asvkerfrqpwvndfoiwq" that would be a serious problem), the product will reinforce the brand name, and in turn, the brand name will reinforce the product. But as long as we keep the third derivative name (there already is an LX and a Liero), the name will remain being the foot on which this game limps on.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Cizin on May 26, 2009, 11:24:03 pm
i vote for a namechange as  well, this name ain't selling and who doesn't want to see more servers and more people in game. Just got to put our heads together instead of arguing, or better yet, let the developers just invite eachother to a msn convo and talk it through and change the god damn name,
because this will NEVER GET ANYWHERE, i can guarantee, this thread will be 30 pages long and it will be just as far as it is now.So to everybody, let the Developers change the name and don't whine about it like a sissy little girl they are developing this game, they should be given the freedom to do what ever because they have put so much work to it and are planning to continue with it. The game is still the same with a few modifications, and i bet none of us likes the name "Liero" We have just gotten used  to it. This is for the good of the game!

By the way, Liero Evolution sucks, just like OpenlieroX, basicly the same name, would be great if the name of the Liero clone didn't have the name "Liero" in it.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RussG on May 26, 2009, 11:39:53 pm
Cizin has a point. Change it already so our brains may soften and begin getting used to the new name. I myself don't like the idea but what the hell, go for it. The game sucks anyway and we all hate it, right?  ;D


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 27, 2009, 12:00:41 am
What did you think the first time you heard the word "apple" in referance to a computer?

I know the english name, so I have an impression on this (-> something fruity). As I think I heard it like "Apple computers", I thought of some freshly designed computers.

What did you think when you first heard "ipod"?

It's the Apple name pattern, so I thought of something from Apple. Pod only gives me a rough impression, perhaps something small. But it was somehow immediatly clear to me that it is an MP3 player, perhaps because I found it on a webshop with MP3 players or a friend talked about the new MP3 player "iPod" or something like that.

What did you think when you first heard "Wii"?

I always heard "Nintendo Wii" in the beginning, never just "Wii". And as I know Nintendo, it was rather clear to me that it's a new console by them. Wii itself don't give me further impressions. First I thought the "ii" means the number two but as I don't know of "Wi" or "W" from Nintendo, I skipped this impression. It also gives me some Japanese impression but that is logical for that name. The name itself, under the condition that it is a game console, let me thought of some childish console mostly. I guess I have that impression of "wee" by it. So the name speaks to younger people in non-Japanese countries. And in Japanese itself (also important for Nintendo), it probably has some meaning.

What did you think when you first heard "Liero"?

That is hard to say, as I was a long time ago. Not sure anymore if I found that game already on the computer in my computer science class or if we stumbled upon it on some freeware gaming site when we were downloading some games (because class was so boring). So I guess I have already seen it together with either a screenshot or so, but hard to tell. I didn't thought that this name has a special meaning in any language, I just thought it was randomly made up (it also sounds a bit like a German name; we pronounce Liero just like Liro, if it would be a German name, and Liro could be a German name, a bit (well, very...) unusual but could be).

Nowadays, as I have often listened to the Finish language, I would at least immediatly think of something Finish. Well, to be correct, I know what "Liero" means, so if I would hear some name with "Liero" included, I would think of a Liero clone. I know quite a lot of people (from those who play computer games) who have heard from that name (also before I told them...).

The point was and remains the same: OLX is a third derivative name. The game needs a NEW name. If it's pronouncable and not too hard to spell, while sticking to your brain, it is enough. If those demands are fullfilled, the only thing that needs to do the job, is the game itself. If it is good enough, people will connect "Hirudo" (or whatever other name we should chose) to a bloody 2D-game. If the product is good enough, and the brand name isn't too horrible (if you call it "asvkerfrqpwvndfoiwq" that would be a serious problem), the product will reinforce the brand name, and in turn, the brand name will reinforce the product. But as long as we keep the third derivative name (there already is an LX and a Liero), the name will remain being the foot on which this game limps on.

If I would hear of just Hirudo, I would think of something Japanese, not a computer game.

If I would hear of a game called Hirudo, I would still think about something Japanese. In fact, I always have to think about a game similar to Prince of Persia with some Asian/Japanese 3D world, no idea why. That is what I think if somebody would told me that there is already a game named Hirudo. Perhaps also some fight or boxing game.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 27, 2009, 12:25:21 am
One thing I don't quite get is that you know, and you also let the rest of us know, that you (developers) will be the ones to ultimately decide the name (like I think it should be), but you use the fact that most people don't like Hirudo as an argument against Hirudo. You did so here:
Hirudo: Liero Evolution is also not fixed yet and as also said, most people still don't like the Hirudo part in it, so that will most probably also not be the final name.

Really, I understand that you don't like the name, but then it shouldn't matter what other people think, you should simply discard that name. But if you let the community discuss the name here, and even vote for it, I think it should have some meaning and you should listen to them (us) to some extent. If you really want to listen to some kind of a majority here (like the above quote would suggest) the name should probably be kept as it is. This is what it looks like in the poll.

The best way in this situation would probably be that the developers decide the name on their own, without asking anyone else. There is no need to have all this discussion, as I think it is already evident that no agreement will be reached by continuing this way. Some kind of a decision could (and IMO should) be made already.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 27, 2009, 12:35:20 am
i vote for a namechange as  well, this name ain't selling and who doesn't want to see more servers and more people in game. Just got to put our heads together instead of arguing, or better yet, let the developers just invite eachother to a msn convo and talk it through and change the god damn name,
because this will NEVER GET ANYWHERE, i can guarantee, this thread will be 30 pages long and it will be just as far as it is now.So to everybody, let the Developers change the name and don't whine about it like a sissy little girl they are developing this game, they should be given the freedom to do what ever because they have put so much work to it and are planning to continue with it. The game is still the same with a few modifications, and i bet none of us likes the name "Liero" We have just gotten used  to it. This is for the good of the game!

By the way, Liero Evolution sucks, just like OpenlieroX, basicly the same name, would be great if the name of the Liero clone didn't have the name "Liero" in it.

The name change is not urgent. In fact, if we do it, it will probably be in about 6 months or so. We have the time to discuss it until then. If we are all fine with a specific new name, we can also make the final descision earlier. But I don't like it to just force a new name as soon as possible. We also have thought about some other internal code designs in OLX for more than a year (well at least I have), and it was good to take that time. Not that I am thinking about it 24h a day. I just let the idea develop in my head over time. I like to take it slow and intense. This thread was opened 18 days ago and the name change will be in perhaps 6 month.

I also don't think that it should be too difficult to find a name which is fine for 4 people (if I count in Karel, Pelya, Bram and me). But leave us some time to think about new suggestions (I am also thinking about perhaps some own ideas, whereby I am not that good in making up names) and then, we can see if all of us agree with something or not. And we (everybody here in this thread) can still continue developing new ideas or thinking about arguments for and against some specific names.

And I still think that it should be possible to use something better than Hirudo.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 27, 2009, 12:44:08 am
One thing I don't quite get is that you know, and you also let the rest of us know, that you (developers) will be the ones to ultimately decide the name (like I think it should be), but you use the fact that most people don't like Hirudo as an argument against Hirudo. You did so here:
Really, I understand that you don't like the name, but then it shouldn't matter what other people think, you should simply discard that name. But if you let the community discuss the name here, and even vote for it, I think it should have some meaning and you should listen to them (us) to some extent. If you really want to listen to some kind of a majority here (like the above quote would suggest) the name should probably be kept as it is. This is what it looks like in the poll.

The best way in this situation would probably be that the developers decide the name on their own, without asking anyone else. There is no need to have all this discussion, as I think it is already evident that no agreement will be reached by continuing this way. Some kind of a decision could (and IMO should) be made already.

There is no need in an urgent descision. We have some months time to decide.

We started this thread because we indeed want to know about the general opinion about this and to get some other suggestions because it's probable that somebody here has a better idea than we would have.

For Hirudo, it seems that Pelya also didn't liked the name but would accept it, I also don't like the name, no idea about Karel and not sure about Bram. For the other people here who voted, a lot of them were against it and I think some of them who voted for it just because there was no better name or because they were already used to it because it was spoken so much about it. Also not all voters thought at the beginning that much about it, as you can see in some of the threads in the beginning. Their thoughts also developed over time and they explicitly said that they would vote different after some new thoughts did came up.

I would just leave the discussion open for a longer while and see if some new thoughts or ideas came up.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 27, 2009, 01:04:33 am
ahem. this is now officially going nowhere at all.

decide now or never decide.. postponing it again is a bit of an insult to everyone that tried to come up with good suggestions here...

the comparison with keeping openlierox or choosing hirudo is incorrect: you should compare it as a choice between keeping the old name and choosing a new one. it's 13 vs 33, so openlierox looses it clearly. (please don't bother discussing this, it is exactly as I say).

I fully understand that as a volunteer developer you want to identify a bit with the name of your product, but you don't need to come up with all sorts of excuses to not choose the name that has the highest popularity amongst people here. It would be better to just say it's discarded because you simply don't like the name and you envision a different audience for the game.

Anyway, I think there has been a lot of good input here, it's up to you now to decide what to do with it.

And in the end it's more important what the game willbe like.. I think we're wasting too much time on this (me included yea..)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: DarkCharlie on May 27, 2009, 01:41:26 am
Names I dislike:
OpenLieroX, reason:
Quote
OpenLieroX is not a good name - hard to pronounce, hard to remember, long, contains X, has no special meaning, is not cool, people have no associations for it and it's made up of three words which makes people to write it variously (Open LieroX, Open Liero X, OpenLiero X, OpenLieroXtreme, Open Liero eXtreme, ...).

Hirudo, reason:
Has already been mentioned, sounds too Japaneese to me. I have never liked it, I just agreed with it two years ago as there was nothing better to choose from. That's not true anymore so I don't see a reason to stick to this name.
The only reason many people like Hirudo is because we've been mentioning that name for a long time. It's just about getting used to a new name, however stupid it is.

Names I like:
Ascaris, reason:
Sounds mystically, ancient (just like Atlantis) and has a worm meaning in itself, even though it's not english and many people won't discover that. But Liero is just the same case, isn't it? Domain names and Google are not free though.

Holez, reason:
It perfectly fits the game - you're making holes in the dirt. Worms are not the main characters anymore but holes still stay :) Also creating a nice logo for this name would be much easier than for Hirudo/Ascaris/Liero-like name. Searching google for Holez gives no good results and also many domain names are still free (holez.org, holez.name, holez.biz).

Wormage, reason:
It has an energy in itself. Something like: "Just shoot it!". Domain names are free and Google (almost) as well.

Ideas I like:
The Liero Evolution subtitle - that really makes sense, will bring old Liero players and will also give us more google hits (from people searching for Liero). Besides that, we can leave it in cases when it's not appropriate.

My decision:
Holez: Liero Evolution


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RussG on May 27, 2009, 02:04:43 am
At this point I'd like to remind you of the game called Molez.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Ahmed on May 27, 2009, 07:40:51 am
Carnage  - The  Liero Evolution.. :).
War Grounds - The Liero Evolution

The game doesn't need to actually have the word worms or anything to relate to worms since a lot of skins aren't really worms. In the end I think the developers should have last say though since they work so hard on the game and we just give feedback and play.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Ruki on May 27, 2009, 09:53:55 am
How some of you are talking about Hirudo being too Japanese... If you first heard the word Liero, you wouldn't think about it the same way? Not for Finnish people, and now you are way too used to the name, you also know its meaning and its point of origin, but to me Liero doesn't sound anything less Japanese than Hirudo... LEE-ERO, HEE-RUDO. Not exactly much of a difference for those who don't originate from Finland or Japan... I think some of you don't even know what you want.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 27, 2009, 01:34:28 pm
How some of you are talking about Hirudo being too Japanese... If you first heard the word Liero, you wouldn't think about it the same way? Not for Finnish people, and now you are way too used to the name, you also know its meaning and its point of origin, but to me Liero doesn't sound anything less Japanese than Hirudo... LEE-ERO, HEE-RUDO. Not exactly much of a difference for those who don't originate from Finland or Japan... I think some of you don't even know what you want.

Well, I tried to explain already that for Germans, that is not necessarily the case. Not sure for other countries.

Anyway, you are right in the point that Liero also doesn't give much impressions.

But the argument that Hirudo is not that much worse than Liero (in its impression and Japanese-like sounding) is not a very good argumente here. We even would have two unknown words in the name "Hirudo: Liero Evolution". What the hell is Hirudo and what the hell does Liero mean would a reader ask (to himself).

Perhaps you are right that I am just that much used to Liero that I still have (unlogical) preferences for Liero over Hirudo. But Liero being in the name (or subtitle) has some other meaning for us. But because it doesn't give much impressions for new players, if at all, it will probably only be in the subtitle.

Well, still thinking about all that... :) Still thinking about the main name...

I agree with DarkCharlie in most points whereby I think "Holez: Liero Evolution" doesn't sound harmonic somehow.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Raziel on May 27, 2009, 01:55:44 pm
Allowing programmers to decide about the name, seems to be worse than letting a pink girl (sorry Pirge) into shopping center.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 27, 2009, 02:07:30 pm
I still don't like the Hirudo part that much. I would vote perhaps just for Liero Evolution. (www.liero-evolution.org is available) (whereby some other good suggestions also came up lately in this thread). Not sure about the other devs. Pelya also didn't liked it in the beginning (he said it just sounds too Japanese and too strange for somebody who has no idea what it means - something I have to agree with), not sure if he is obliging now or if he really likes it when put in that combination.

I am also not sure about the impression Hirudo is giving to someone who just never have heard of it. I would perhaps think of some Japanese anime movie - but not about a worms game / liero clone.

Yeah, I still don't like Hirudo, it's just that I've seen other variants and they are even worse, sorry for changing my opinion so often  ::) .

Names I dislike:
OpenLieroX, reason:
Hirudo, reason:
Has already been mentioned, sounds too Japaneese to me. I have never liked it, I just agreed with it two years ago as there was nothing better to choose from. That's not true anymore so I don't see a reason to stick to this name.
The only reason many people like Hirudo is because we've been mentioning that name for a long time. It's just about getting used to a new name, however stupid it is.

Names I like:
Ascaris, reason:
Sounds mystically, ancient (just like Atlantis) and has a worm meaning in itself, even though it's not english and many people won't discover that. But Liero is just the same case, isn't it? Domain names and Google are not free though.

Holez, reason:
It perfectly fits the game - you're making holes in the dirt. Worms are not the main characters anymore but holes still stay :) Also creating a nice logo for this name would be much easier than for Hirudo/Ascaris/Liero-like name. Searching google for Holez gives no good results and also many domain names are still free (holez.org, holez.name, holez.biz).

Wormage, reason:
It has an energy in itself. Something like: "Just shoot it!". Domain names are free and Google (almost) as well.

Ideas I like:
The Liero Evolution subtitle - that really makes sense, will bring old Liero players and will also give us more google hits (from people searching for Liero). Besides that, we can leave it in cases when it's not appropriate.

My decision:
Holez: Liero Evolution


So I'll vote for Hirudo, or Blastiny, or Ascaris (despite it's meaning, just to please Cizin) - both Wormage and Swormed sounds kinda too simple for me, and for Holez - remove that Z in the end plz.
And whatever the name will be I wish to stick "Liero Evolution" at the end.

How some of you are talking about Hirudo being too Japanese... If you first heard the word Liero, you wouldn't think about it the same way? Not for Finnish people, and now you are way too used to the name, you also know its meaning and its point of origin, but to me Liero doesn't sound anything less Japanese than Hirudo... LEE-ERO, HEE-RUDO. Not exactly much of a difference for those who don't originate from Finland or Japan... I think some of you don't even know what you want.

Still Liero sounds less Japanese, 'cause "li-e-ro" has no such rhythmic consonant and vowel sequence as in "hi-ru-do", so common for Japanese language.

Allowing programmers to decide about the name, seems to be worse than letting a pink girl (sorry Pirge) into shopping center.

That's true, but we have the power, mwahaha . Also I'd say Run and Ruki should agree on new name too. (Oh, Run is PHP programmer, but that's minor details :P )


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: DarkCharlie on May 27, 2009, 02:39:25 pm
I guess razzy should decide as well because he will be the one making a logo for it  ;)

About that Z, I would gladly replace it with S, but the domains are not available for Holes.
About Ascaris - all domains are taken as well and in Google Wiki will probably be always above our game.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Hatten on May 27, 2009, 03:30:19 pm
Ascariz!! haha

please clean up the poll, and the thread title. It is a pain scrolling through the poll that has 25 entries and half of them are empty. (votes are reset) doesn't make sense at all anymore.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 27, 2009, 03:33:54 pm
Ascariz!! haha

please clean up the poll, and the thread title. It is a pain scrolling through the poll that has 25 entries and half of them are empty. (votes are reset) doesn't make sense at all anymore.

Perhaps we can collect the best suggestions/ideas and also some of the thoughts (why we would like to have a name change, etc.) in the start post.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Benn0 on May 27, 2009, 05:37:37 pm
Liero: Combat Evolved


A new name will naturally not sound like Liero as it hasn't been defined. And most notably, it's the game that defines the name, not the opposite as some people seem to belive. A simple change of names, as long as it makes sense, will not make the game more popular.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Raziel on May 28, 2009, 03:29:21 pm
I guess razzy should decide as well because he will be the one making a logo for it  ;)

About that Z, I would gladly replace it with S, but the domains are not available for Holes.
About Ascaris - all domains are taken as well and in Google Wiki will probably be always above our game.

Awwww, I'm so so so touched, that I even created a sketch for your Holez. Despite the fact, that it will attract all the pervert from the universe...

Holez (http://www.razzy.pl/LX/Holez_Liero_Evolution.pdf)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Nets on May 28, 2009, 03:49:14 pm
Wooow , that looks awesome. All it needs is a little touch of a magical brush.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 28, 2009, 07:29:38 pm
Oh my god, did someone just *suggest* something that Raz's artwork could do with?

Ok, a few things. In no particular order, since this is getting way out of hand.

Time once more for Spoon's Bottom Line, seeing as you guys are reverting into more suggestions and throwing new stuff around when we were finally narrowing it down.

To those saying Hirudo 'sounds japanese' - WHAT? Seriously, what? I could see the link, but WHY does that matter? In all honesty the name sounds a bit japanese will not BY ANY MEANS bring in Japanese players, CHinese players.. because UNLESS it is actually a word in that language, they are not going to find it, given that we have no descriptions/websites of it in that language!

Furthermore, you are all completely failing to realise how you will get new players. Having a name, good or bad, will not create new players. People do not see a name and instantly decide 'sounds good, lets try it' or 'sounds shit, **** that'. They will decide that based on the context, the description given to the game. If we go about pushing the game out, then we will get more chance to impress than just the name. And in all honesty the name is far less important than you think, seeing as we're not going for a ****ing 'buzzword' that some suits in a boardroom can push into public eye for an advertisement. This is the internet, people try games out based on reputation, not on the name.

Devs - make a choice. If you are going to veto names cos you don't like them then stop this entire circus, just decide the names for yourselves. Cos a lot of people bust their balls trying to find a community approved name and you guys shoot it down. Either make it a community job and accept the results or decide it for yourselves.

Albert, when Gaston asked your initial reactions on names, you totally missed the point. iPod - you said you knew it was apple and mp3 player cos you heard about the ipod. That's missing the point. The point is, when you heard iPod, did you wonder 'hmmn i wonder why they called it iPod, with the little i.. ' - and whatever you came to as a conclusion, it matters not. Because it's called that whether you like it hate it and won't change, the product is no different because of the name.

When I first heard the new nintendo console was called the Wii I thought it was hilarious, I read endless puns on the name and thought it was totally wii-diculous, but that didn't stop the console becoming successful, because people accept names if the substance is good.

A little culture for you -

Quote
What's in a name? that which we call a rose
By any other name would smell as sweet;

Getting all Shakespeare on your asses.

This game will succeed or fail solely on the impressions we give of it when advertising it in the appropriate areas, and once we've got people to download and play, it will depend on the gameplay itself and the community's ability to keep hold of those that wonder in.

Holez simply sounds like a niche porno featuring Hispanic 'actresses' having fun in public toilets. It is only in cases like this, where the name is so unbelievably provocative, that a name and it's impressions really WILL cause **** ups. I am willing to bet I could find a porn link with 'holez' in the name.  I googled Holez, this came up near the top http://www.torrentreactor.net/find/glory-holez-girls
I am assuming you know what a glory hole is. If you don't consider this LXA-Twilight-Education.

There is a great deal of 'Missing the woods for the trees' - another phrase I expect a lot of you won't fully appreciate but look it up, it's very fitting.

Go listen to the RatM song Wake Up, the message is a little different but some of you guys are totally missing the point here.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 28, 2009, 08:04:27 pm
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Albert, when Gaston asked your initial reactions on names, you totally missed the point. iPod - you said you knew it was apple and mp3 player cos you heard about the ipod. That's missing the point. The point is, when you heard iPod, did you wonder 'hmmn i wonder why they called it iPod, with the little i.. ' - and whatever you came to as a conclusion, it matters not. Because it's called that whether you like it hate it and won't change, the product is no different because of the name.

If they would have called it Hirudo, they would have less people using/bying that thing. iHirudo would already be better for them because you can at least guess that it is something from Apple. But still iPod is better than iHirudo because people have some impression of it and not just "what the hell is that".

Quote
To those saying Hirudo 'sounds japanese' - WHAT? Seriously, what? I could see the link, but WHY does that matter? In all honesty the name sounds a bit japanese will not BY ANY MEANS bring in Japanese players, CHinese players.. because UNLESS it is actually a word in that language, they are not going to find it, given that we have no descriptions/websites of it in that language!

That's not the point. I would be happy if we would have more Japanese players. That's just not the point here. The point is, that I think a name which sounds Japanese (and where nobody just have any clue what it means) is not better than the old name and also not that good in general. It also just gives the wrong (or none - or a Japanese) impression about the game. That's the point and the reason why I don't like it.

And I also think that a name has some (perhaps even much) impact on what people think about. Some people wouldn't even try it out if the name would be bad. Perhaps that's stupid but that's the way it is. I even can understand that because if you just browse through a list of thousands games and see their names, you will decide based on the name if it sounds interesting or not and you will never get the chance to try all or look at more detail at each of them. Perhaps the impact is not that big. But it will be there. It could even be negative, if the name is bad (Hirudo is probably just neutral because nobody has an idea what it means). Your impression of Holez probably shows that this is also not a good name.

I would like a name with a meaning which everbody understands, which is somehow possitive (or sounds fun) and which somehow fits to the game. It shouldn't be too difficult to find such.

Perhaps something like "Earthworm Carnage" - just as simple.

And all the opinions which were given here in this thread are very helpfull for me to think about it. When we started the thread, I wasn't really sure about Hirudo and about other names. Now I am more sure about what the new name should be like (in general). And one of the points is that it should have a good impression. Otherwise we also could simply keep Liero - which is even better than Hirudo in my opinion. That's also why I prefer "Liero Evolution" (or something with Liero) more than Hirudo.

Of course, all this is also a bit a question of personal taste. Perhaps that is also the main issue here with Hirudo, that most of us (devs) just don't like it. And we will more likely choose a name we like than a name we dislike.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 28, 2009, 10:41:45 pm
Bah. I present logic, reason, backed up by some facts where applicable.

It is common sense that this game, current, new, whatever - will not find new players who randomly click big lists of games. If you're looking at big lists of games it's for a specialist reason or you're looking for quick flash games etc. Not ++mb downloads which have extensive communities.

People who stick with this game are those who join it because they know people playing it, in nearly all cases. There is no data for this sort of thing, but I simply cannot see this game being found by people somehow randomly google searching something that brings up OLX.

You need to proactively promote it in smart, intelligent ways and places if you want the player base to grow. With that in mind, the name is no where near as important as the package it is delivered in. If I wrote a short description for the game and posted some thumbnails, I guarantee people would be drawn from what I write, not because a name sounds 'good' or 'bad'.

A name sounding 'good' or 'bad' is 100% personal opinion, outside of basic obvious cases such as words which already have strong representations for things like porn. Most of the names which are unrelated to other things in common use - Hirudo, Ascaris, Blastiny, Wormage - they are good or bad entirely upon your own opinion.

Which leads me to the final point - what the hell makes your opinion correct? I already stated in my last post, and if the answer to this question is 'because I made the game' then you need to seriously consider whether this entire thread is of any use whatsoever.

If you're going to pick the name yourself then do it, don't ask us for our opinions, reasoning and logic. Because through it all you will go with what you personally enjoy, regardless of whether that is something which pleases the people who actually play the game every day. And that's not necessarily something good, bad, wrong, right, I'm not passing opinion. I'm just pointing out the cold facts of how this is going to work out.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 28, 2009, 11:00:41 pm
I didn't said that my opinion is more correct than yours. I just tried to explain why I don't like Hirudo that much and why I think that Liero is better than Hirudo. My main arguments are based on good reasons (doesn't give or give Japanese impressions; Hirudo doesn't give better impressions than Liero) but of course, there is also a big portion of personal taste in it.

I fully agree with you that the content (the game itself) is much more important than the name. Don't think that I handle this name descision more important than the development. In fact, I am very hardly working right now on OLX (and all the time while we had this discussion in the background).

I don't really get your complaints. About what are you complaining? That we don't like Hirudo? I take your posts very serious (all posts here, but esp. also yours) and they give very good input for the descision itself and they will have very big impact on the final descision (that's one of the reasons we are discussing this - because I want to have that impact).

I also don't understand why you don't want us to ask for your opinion. I am still very interested in all available opinions and ideas. And it's not that just everything has been said already. From day to day / week to week, some new ideas and thoughts still coming up.

If we just don't like Hirudo, it doesn't mean that we will ignore everything what you say.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Spoon on May 28, 2009, 11:20:45 pm
Hmmn. An exceptional post.

My main gripe is purely frustration. Every so often someone makes a suggestion which picks up pace and seems to be getting somewhere, some people give approval and things look like there is light at the end of the tunnel. Then, inevitably, someone somewhere will post something that brings up other issues that people seemed to have gotten around before.. and old wounds are opened so to speak - we go round and round in circles.

This is especially annoying when it interrupts my 'post train' - it was picking up pace as I attempted to bring about logical reasoning to closer define what was needed and through that come up with the most suitable (if not immediately likeable, but suitable for sure) name.

I don't mind it when the swell of opinion being interrupted is only there through random luck and missed points. When a well orchestrated attempt to push forward is broken down it bothers me, tis all :)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: RuNyoufool on May 28, 2009, 11:58:56 pm
haha, so if we end up with Holez, this community could be renamed to "Allied Holez". I totally like it :P.. "Holez crap" would be the download site? ;) If we get the go, we'll set up a "frequently assed holez" for sure!

sighhhh.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Nets on May 29, 2009, 12:09:08 am
well somebody got excited , eh?


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 29, 2009, 01:16:30 am
It seems that this whole topic produces a lot of tension for everybody. :)

Sorry if it seems that we are going forth and back in this discussion without any real progress. I wouldn't say that we don't make any progress - I would rather say the opposite (at least for me).

It's just that (this was already multiple times in this single thread) sometimes some people stick to one idea, some others come on board and agree with most given arguments and the general mood comes up that this idea will make it. Sorry about that (but I am also not the one who has made such a mood, or at least it was not my intention). :) I surely understand that if it seems that the descision is almost made and then some people (including us devs) are again pointing in a different direction must feel somehow frustrating.

I am still open to most ideas and I wouldn't say that I already am stuck for myself with a specific suggestion. Whereby I clearly have some I prefer and some others I don't prefer that much. But I have to develop that feeling a bit more for myself (and sleep some more nights about it). And I would really like to get your opinion - mostly also to other or new ideas / names (I am not sure if we can add much more to the discussion about the name Hirudo).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: DarkCharlie on May 29, 2009, 02:31:22 am
How about Dark Holez?  :D

Seems that you watch too much porn Spoonie, I've never got such idea when hearing that name  ;) But I guess your point is correct :)

I am open to new suggestions, Holez is removed from my favourite list :)

I agree with albert here, this discussion is not worthless. And if it looks like we are vetoing some ideas, it's not true. When the majority votes for Hirudo, I will accept it.
But be sure that I will protest because I don't like that name :)

Oh, and there are some objective criterias: domain availability (many suggestions fail here, including Hirudo), perverzity (yeah, Holez fails here), length and understandability (how many people will actually understand what it means at the first glance).


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Raziel on May 29, 2009, 08:28:15 am
How about Dark Holez?  :D

Seems that you watch too much porn Spoonie, I've never got such idea when hearing that name  ;) But I guess your point is correct :)

I am open to new suggestions, Holez is removed from my favourite list :)


No no, it was ME who said that Holez are attractive for perverts.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Raziel on May 29, 2009, 08:54:59 am
Well, I thought I will keep away from this whole discussion, which seems to be pointless. There is too strong feeling, that the final decission will be up to this what Albert likes and dislikes. And in that view, this all really seem to be pointless to participate. That's my opinion.

However, I see it goes nowhere and we are not far from the point it started. Aside of all your comments which say "this isn't a waste, we think about everything you suggest" bla bla, there is big chaos and nothing else. I thought that programmers would work out a kind of system and order.

My suggestion, is, to edit whole first post, and add the following:

- Simply put in words, clearly written description of this, what you expect from the New Name. For example:

The New Name should be short and easily pronounced by the majority. It should be related to the game in an obvious way. It should sound either funny, cool or just like something attractive. It should include/it should not include "Liero" element as subtitle.... and so on.

- Below the description, you should place the names, which are considered as real possibilities for the New Name. So you just list the very few names, which you actually like and you think they can be either chosen, or they give this feeling, that they can inspire someone else to come up with a perfect one (in your opinion, that is). For example:

- Liero Evolution
- Liero: Call of Carnage
- Earthworm Carnag
- Project E.M.O.


- As a third point, there should be a full list of every single name you rejected. You can even bother and write below each name your explanation, why it was rejected.

- Wormage (because it's too silly)
- Hirudo (because Albert never liked it, and other devs follow him)
- LieroX 17 (because there might come more versions than just 17)

After you do that all, it will at least have some serious look and perhaps it will help people to get a grip of this, what you might like and what you might not.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: albert on May 29, 2009, 12:37:52 pm
Raziel, I am not sure others just are following me in this particular case - that they don't like Hirudo. I think they are able to make up their own minds and if they are saying they like or dislike some specific name, I don't put that in question. After what they have written, I thought this clearly comes out. Of course I could be wrong, so other devs, correct me if I am wrong.

I made already the same suggestion to extend the start post and give some directions where (and some of the thoughts which came out of this discussion). I was just too lazy to do it myself. :) But I will at least do the start now.

Edit: Did that. @Other devs/admins: Just extend/modify it yourself if you think something is missing. @Other people: If you already gave a suggestion and you still think it's a nice one and it is not on the list and nobody said anything about it, bring it up again. Perhaps we just have overseen it.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Gaston on May 29, 2009, 01:30:03 pm
Please, for the love of God, make a new thread. The way Raziel put it out would make sense.

This thread is a mess, and if you don't do anything about it, I'll move this thread over to the archives, and make a new thread myself with the suggestions that's come up this far.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Code on May 29, 2009, 02:18:16 pm
Holez: Liero Evolution
sounds best to me. It's a new name, but the liero is still in it. also it's a powerfull title, and people will remember it.



Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: Sakmongkol on May 29, 2009, 02:22:23 pm
Holez: Liero Evolution
sounds best to me. It's a new name, but the liero is still in it. also it's a powerfull title, and people will remember it.

But it was pretty much discarded already I believe, which is a good thing. =)

I sincerely believe we are not getting anywhere with the renaming like this, so at this point I would only like to wish the developers good luck in deciding the name, whenever they finally decide to decide it. Good luck!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: pelya on May 29, 2009, 05:57:39 pm
Edited first post, DC now your turn :)


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread (votes are reset)
Post by: DarkCharlie on May 29, 2009, 06:19:46 pm
Edited the post as well.


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread
Post by: Spoon on May 30, 2009, 03:38:10 am
Holez made no sense anyway, seeing as the dirt thing is a minor part of the game that is played.. Original Liero, sure. You played dirtmap. This community has so many great maps, hardly any of which are anything to do with the dirt you dig through.

And yes DC, I did watch too much porn. That coupled with my immediate ability to see the dark and twisted side to everything :P

Razzie's Liero: Call of Carnage is excellent. Though could we call it Call of Carnage Killers, that way everyone can refer to it as ****.

Edit - Oh LOL I should have known that would be censored. It's an acronym!!


Title: Re: Rename OpenLieroX suggestions thread
Post by: Gaston on May 30, 2009, 04:25:37 pm
[CLOSED]

Link to new thread: http://lxalliance.net/forum/index.php/topic,11845.0.html