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Liero v1.0 – 50lt
IP: 70.26.207.192
Game Mode: Death Match
Lives: 100
Max Kills: 0
Version: OpenLieroX 0.58 rc3

Players:
Mik(96 lives, 5 kills)
The Second(94 lives, 1 kills)

Modern Warfare1.0 – 20lt
IP: 114.134.0.138
Game Mode: Team Death Match
Lives: 0
Max Kills: 15
Version: OpenLieroX 0.58 rc3

Players:
[CPU] Worm(0 lives, 2 kills)
[CPU] Peter(0 lives, 3 kills)
[CPU] K1ll0r(0 lives, 4 kills)
[CPU] Kamikazee!(0 lives, 0 kills)
[CPU] Worm(0 lives, 0 kills)
[CPU] N00b(0 lives, 0 kills)

Cruel v0.96 – 40lt
IP: 98.218.156.136
Game Mode: Death Match
Lives: 5
Max Kills: 0
Version: OpenLieroX 0.58 rc3

Players:
The White Ninja(0 lives, 0 kills)
[CPU]I'm Not A Human(2 lives, 0 kills)
[CPU]I'm Not A Human(5 lives, 0 kills)

[pelya]

Hey there,

We are thinking about a new name for OpenLieroX, esp. a name which is good for people who have never heard about Liero. This old name has some drawbacks: "Liero" is an unknown word for most people so they have no idea about it. And the "X" just makes it worse.

This rename will probably be done somewhen between the release of Beta9 and the next release after that. So it's probably some months until then.

This is what we would like to have (not 100% fixed; if you found an exception which is perfect but doesn't meet one of the requirements, it's perhaps also ok):

- The new name should be short and easily pronounceable.
- It should be related to the game in an obvious way.
- It should sound either funny, cool or just like something attractive.
- Everybody should get some impression by the name, thus preferable an English name.

Some others, more practical points:
- Doesn't give a huge pile of Google results. Most importantly not something which will always be higher than our game.
[ - Domain names available. This is probably not that much an issue as we could fallback to put "-game.org" in the end or something. ]

Some other questions which are not really that sure yet:

- Should the name "Liero" be included or not. It has the drawback of being a word that nobody understands. But it has a very strong meaning because it says about the history of the game. In the end, this question will probably be just decided by the name itself. We are not excluding all names containing "Liero". (pelya votes for keeping it, 'cause it has epic history, other devs comment plz)

- Should we have a subtitle. Most people liked the idea but of course it's not a must. You also have to take into account that the name should also be ok if you leave the subtitle away.

- How brutal should the name be. Or better, where is the limit. If we want to see OLX on a CD of a game magazine, some of the more brutal names will probably make that impossible. So please cut out all parasitic worm names, like Ascaris.

- Should a worm still be the main character? Should we have a main character at all? (This is not a question about how many skins we have which are all much different from that - but more if we would like to have some main character.) If not, what should our new logo look like? Our game symbol? So probably, to avoid all this new problems, we will just stay with worms (or similar).

See the second post for suggestions and developers feedback

Original Thread:

http://lxalliance.net/forum/index.php/topic,12331.0.html (CLOSED)

[Gaston]

Here is the new thread. Discuss from here on, and read the first post before you reply!

IMPORTANT: If you want to make a suggestion, read through the list below first!

Most suggestions from old thread plus notes from devs:

Amor Vermium
Aniballistic
Ascaris - parasitic worm, but we still not rejected that name

Babyloonya
BattleCry
Blastiny - pelya's favorite, okay for Run, too serious for DC but acceptable, other devs undecided
Bloedzuiger

Calacca
Carnage 2D
Creeps

Earthworm Carnage - too long for DC, others undecided

Glista  - parasitic worm, but we still not rejected that name
Ground Shooters
Guerrilla - sounds like gorilla for DC, others undecided
Guerilla Warfare - sounds like gorilla for DC, others undecided
Guns'n'Worms - pelya, DC and albert don't like it

Helminthes
Hirudo - Devs will most liekely not use this
Hirudo Battlefield
Hirudo: Liero Evolution
HirudoX
Holez - Devs will most liekely not use this

Insects online - too long for DC, albert: I never saw insects (=flies, spiders, bees and such) in OLX, others undecided

Karyp

Liero Advanced
Liero BattleCry
Liero Battlefield - too long for DC, too less creative for albert, others undecided
Liero Combat
Liero Evolution - all devs agree on that to be subtitle, like XXX: Liero Evolution. Could become the main title.
Liero Devolution
Liero II
Liero Infinity
Liero Online
Liero Reborn
Liero Ressurection - Liero never actually died, did it? , too long for albert
Liero Worlds - Stolen from TeeWorlds, DC doesn't like stealing (albert: the sheme * Worlds is also not invented by TeeWorlds
Liero X -  Devs will most liekely not use this
Liero: Combat Evolved
Lierogeddon
LieroPiuha - Devs will most liekely not use this
LieroZero
LXM

Pixel Wars

Swarm
Swarm Out
Sworm
Swormed - too simple for pelya and DC, okay for Run

Tiny Creatures
Tiny World
Total Chaos

Underground Wars

Wormage
Wormania - inferior to Swormed
Wormface - inferior to Swormed
Wormfare
Wormiors - inferior to Swormed
Wormish - inferior to Swormed
Wormix
Wormod - inferior to Swormed
Wormstiny
Wyrm - inferior to Swormed, looks like a typo for albert

[Sakmongkol]

Well at least this looks somewhat better than the previous thread. You just might be getting somewhere here. =)

Though, there is this one point which I find a little stupid, if not totally wrong:

- How brutal should the name be. Or better, where is the limit. If we want to see OLX on a CD of a game magazine, some of the more brutal names will probably make that impossible. So please cut out all parasitic worm names, like Ascaris.

Really, what does 'brutality' have to do with this? I would understand if you said you found parasitic worms disgusting or something, but not brutal. Furthermore, I highly doubt naming the game Ascaris would prevent it from getting onto such a CD. Seriously, for most people Ascaris would be just a word, it doesn't have to mean anything for them. They might go and find out the meaning later, just out of curiosity, but I would imagine if they initially found the name somewhat cool and exotic, they would first see what the game is like and possibly try it out. If, after that, they actually like the game, finding out the name's meaning would be very unlikely to make them stop playing it.

I would also like to see a clear decision about whether the word Liero should be included or not. But that's just me.

All in all, I think we should keep in mind that the name will indeed be 'just a name'. If the game itself is good, people will play it even if it has a horrible name. The biggest challenge will be to get people to download the game and try it out, and to achieve this you will have to do a lot more advertising than just coming up with a good name. Also I will personally promise that I won't stop playing the game if you rename it to something stupid.

Gaston's list should be in alphabetical order!

[Joonazz]

Liero Evolution could be a pretty nice name. Taking the Liero-word off would be a pity but thats only my opinion and also an opinion coming from a finnish person. Players come from all over the world and Liero doesn't mean anything to them but still it's the original game and I'd find it strange to see a whole different name.

[Hugglebunny]

Liero Evolution could be a pretty nice name. Taking the Liero-word off would be a pity but thats only my opinion and also an opinion coming from a finnish person. Players come from all over the world and Liero doesn't mean anything to them but still it's the original game and I'd find it strange to see a whole different name.

For once i gotta say that is pretty much what i think atm..
Liero evolution is the far best option from my point of view. Atleast for now.

[Perkele]

AHAHAHA INSECTS ONLINE; DUUUDES I ROFLED 
 
Well Liero Evolution would be the best I think so too. 

[albert]

Really, what does 'brutality' have to do with this? I would understand if you said you found parasitic worms disgusting or something, but not brutal. Furthermore, I highly doubt naming the game Ascaris would prevent it from getting onto such a CD. Seriously, for most people Ascaris would be just a word, it doesn't have to mean anything for them. They might go and find out the meaning later, just out of curiosity, but I would imagine if they initially found the name somewhat cool and exotic, they would first see what the game is like and possibly try it out. If, after that, they actually like the game, finding out the name's meaning would be very unlikely to make them stop playing it.

I mainly had names like "Carnage" in mind while writing this. Perhaps even more extreme names (cannot think of examples right now but I guess there are more extreme names). I never have seen a game with such extreme name in a PC magazine. And they probably just wont report about it if it has such a name, no matter if it is actually not that brutal (it doesn't look good for them).

Also, such names would also be a bit too brutal for my personal taste. At least the brutality is not the think which should be pointed out (and even overstated) in its name. But that's just my opinion.

[Benn0]

Who on earth are you trying to market this game to. Did you miss the point that worms are reduced to pieces in a cloud of blood? OLX would probably get a PGEI rating of 12+. Carnage being brutal is the last most and invisible reason what you shouldn't name OLX, or any game for that matter.

I wonder how names of parasites are so incredibly disgusting. There's 4 films named "Alien" not to mention these small bloodsuckers that feed on you in the summer. Or perhaps your mothers slapped you whenever you said "mosquito".

I've wondered were all these comments on how Liero is the original game, it's not. Liero is merely the most known MoleZ clone.

['KJack.mp3]

Who on earth are you trying to market this game to. Did you miss the point that worms are reduced to pieces in a cloud of blood? OLX would probably get a PGEI rating of 12+. Carnage being brutal is the last most and invisible reason what you shouldn't name OLX, or any game for that matter.

I wonder how names of parasites are so incredibly disgusting. There's 4 films named "Alien" not to mention these small bloodsuckers that feed on you in the summer. Or perhaps your mothers slapped you whenever you said "mosquito".

I've wondered were all these comments on how Liero is the original game, it's not. Liero is merely the most known MoleZ clone.

ye exactly ^^

Whats that smeared on the walls? What is that flying in the air?

"
carnage
One entry found.

Function:
    noun
Etymology:
    French, from Medieval Latin carnaticum tribute consisting of animals or meat, from Latin carn-, caro
Date:
    1614

1 : the flesh of slain animals or men
2 : great and usually bloody slaughter or injury (as in battle)
"

[Joonazz]

Who on earth are you trying to market this game to. Did you miss the point that worms are reduced to pieces in a cloud of blood? OLX would probably get a PGEI rating of 12+. Carnage being brutal is the last most and invisible reason what you shouldn't name OLX, or any game for that matter.

I wonder how names of parasites are so incredibly disgusting. There's 4 films named "Alien" not to mention these small bloodsuckers that feed on you in the summer. Or perhaps your mothers slapped you whenever you said "mosquito".



I've wondered were all these comments on how Liero is the original game, it's not. Liero is merely the most known MoleZ clone.

Liero is the original name of this particular game (or Liero extreme), clone or not.

[Gaston]

Liero is the original name of this particular game (or Liero extreme), clone or not.

Actually not.

LieroX is a clone of Liero which is a clone of MoleZ. LieroX is the "original" to OLX, Liero is not.

[Spoon]

Good thread.

Guerrilla - ofcourse it sounds like Gorilla, that is how it's pronounced. Nearly. Point is it's not spelt similarly and has a world-wide known, accepted meaning. People don't confuse the words But still I can see why it's not an ideal name for a game.

Liero is an important word because for those who DO know what it means, they will understand. For those who don't, they will look to context, surrounding descriptions etc. and then hopefully proceed. Few will be those who ignore based on the name alone. And in that case, any name will have the same situations - those who understand and those who don't. At least if you go with liero, we greatly increase the chance of having people who understand what the game is, and what they can expect from it. Naming it outside of Liero will require much time, trying to associate the new name with the gameplay that already has a name.

I still think some of you have this idea of a utopic name which will describe the game, sound cool, magically generate hits on google for people looking for anything as wide as 'game', and thus magically generate new users. I think you set your goals far too high and realise that a name, once chosen, usually sounds 'right' once it's accepted and picked. If you guys all said 'Right, let's call it Wormage' and everywhere, everyone started naming it that and using it in sentences, people would forget quibbles of whether they liked it.. they just accept it. Sure some would say they disliked it, but it would sound 'right' because it is right, once you choose to use a name.

Anywho. Also, Carnage being too 'brutal' a name is silly I think. Perhaps in some countries, but in England where regularly bought magazines are PC Gamer, PC Format etc. Those mags would have no quarrel covering something with 'Carnage' in the name. Alas Carnage is the all encompassing description of the game. The game is simple, creative, 2d brutality, and there is no way around that. 2d and 'cute' doesn't change the fact you got blood squirting up the walls Those mags cover games called Hitman, Manhunt and Stalker. All titles your mother wouldn't let you play but they cover them all the same.

Still, this thread has much better potential. I'd start narrowing it down and taking names off the list. Strikeout if devs won't use them, that includes ones which as simply disliked enough to say ideally, you don't want to use them. Strikeout the plain crap ones too. :p

[Ahmed]

Onslaught - The Liero Evolution

Simple enough, Onslaught means attack. LieroX was basically attacking. There is a name that is straight to the point. I like.


Personally I still believe the main name (not the subtitle) should not be worm related, how many people do you think will search worms on google or any search engine. The name should give a description of the game not some vague word that you have to leave to your imagination to decipher for example Gaston's list has "Liero Advanced", do we have advanced species of worms? No. Really most skins aren't even worms, a ninja taro ain't a worm it is a CHARACTER. Sure there are worms but when you have over 1000 skins (something I doubt any other game has) then you shouldn't stick to a name that won't show the variety available.

[Hatten]

I think the deal with google isn't that people will google for "fun game" and find us, rather that they hear of hirudo/whatever google for it and can find the game in one of the higher posts. Although i often check wikipedia rather than google nowadays.

[pelya]

Onslaught - The Liero Evolution

Simple enough, Onslaught means attack. LieroX was basically attacking. There is a name that is straight to the point. I like.

Haha, inside the game it's quite the opposite, better let's name it Camprun - Liero Evolution 

I also don't like if the name will contain "worm" inside, we already have word Liero which means "worm", and it's better than Worm in English 'cause it links us to that DOS game from year 1999, for the ones who played it before.

[Captain Nack Sparrow]

Onslaught - The Liero Evolution

Simple enough, Onslaught means attack. LieroX was basically attacking. There is a name that is straight to the point. I like.

Haha, inside the game it's quite the opposite, better let's name it Camprun - Liero Evolution 

I also don't like if the name will contain "worm" inside, we already have word Liero which means "worm", and it's better than Worm in English 'cause it links us to that DOS game from year 1999, for the ones who played it before.

Depends on who you are playing against or with

How about making the name shorter or something?
Lierolution, or Liero Revolution - The Che Guevara edition.

[Gaston]

Personally I think there is no reason to keep "Liero" in the name. Perhaps keep it in a subtitle so people know what game it is, then in a newer version remove the subtitle, when people have gotten used to the maintitle.

[Wander]

Nah i think subtitle 'Liero Evolution' is perfect. We shouldn't want Liero in the main title (unless something perfect comes up, which won't happen), but we do want to be findable for people who are specifically looking for it. And the fact that the word Liero means something to us isn't that bad either. There's more people like us out there

The name "Liero: Combat Evolved" is also on the list. I'm not sure, but i don't think this was an actual suggestion. I think it was meant to point out how people talk about a game with a subtitle. There is a game called "Halo: Combat Evolved", but i've never heard anyone referring to it as HCE. Many people don't even know Halo has a subtitle anyway.

I also think Spoon is very right: Narrow things down! Start with crossing the 90% crap names out, then start crossing out the other 10% until you have one name left. In the meantime, only allow a new entry if you're convinced it's better than the average name that's left on the list.

Personally, i still think the best name we have is "Blastiny: Liero Evolution". Forget about the word Blastiny ending with 'tiny', this is just the coïncidence through which we came to the name. Think about the word as a whole!
The name is new to anyone (at least to Google it is), so nobody will confuse it with anything else. People will only have what it sounds like, and (next to a short description ofcourse) it sounds like a damn funny game, in which you're destined to find some serious BLASTING!

[Asrack]

Why not call in Underground Wars.

The name has 3 parts. One, it takes advantage of the levels take place with dirt in it. underground implies that the game has something to do with dirt.

We also are a small community, the term underground can also be used with that.

Another large part of the game is clan wars.

So in a sense the name is catchy, the name is free, and it will come up with hits on the term "underground".

[DarkCharlie]

Why not call in Underground Wars.

The name has 3 parts. One, it takes advantage of the levels take place with dirt in it. underground implies that the game has something to do with dirt.

We also are a small community, the term underground can also be used with that.

Another large part of the game is clan wars.

So in a sense the name is catchy, the name is free, and it will come up with hits on the term "underground".

I like your argumentation, even the name sounds nice to me, but it's damn long. Imagine yourself typing www.undergroundwarsalliance.net in the browser  Also the logo in game would take too much space.

[Asrack]

Why not call in Underground Wars.

The name has 3 parts. One, it takes advantage of the levels take place with dirt in it. underground implies that the game has something to do with dirt.

We also are a small community, the term underground can also be used with that.

Another large part of the game is clan wars.

So in a sense the name is catchy, the name is free, and it will come up with hits on the term "underground".

I like your argumentation, even the name sounds nice to me, but it's damn long. Imagine yourself typing www.undergroundwarsalliance.net in the browser  Also the logo in game would take too much space.

Game names don't have to be short. I thought it was stupid when I read that.

Every game I know of, has a short named version. But just to name a few.

World of WarCraft - WoW.
Metal Gear Solid - MGS.
Final Fantasy - FF
Breath of Fire - BoF
OpenLieroX - OLX

You don't need to have a short name, you need something catchy that connects with the game in many ways, the url link for this forum is "LXAlliance", why would we not just use "UWAlliance" for that. Seems kinda pointless to go pay for a domain name that is like, 20 letters long.

But anyway, Underground Wars is not that long of a name, also the name is very catchy because it's something someone would search. Underground itself is a definite catcher. And War Games. Well, duh.

The name itself is kinda flashy as well.

I'm not trying to fight or anything, but a nice rebuttle would be interesting.

[Ahmed]

Why not call in Underground Wars.

The name has 3 parts. One, it takes advantage of the levels take place with dirt in it. underground implies that the game has something to do with dirt.

We also are a small community, the term underground can also be used with that.

Another large part of the game is clan wars.

So in a sense the name is catchy, the name is free, and it will come up with hits on the term "underground".

I like this one a LOT. Probably the best thing said in either thread, just because it doesn't stick to the "worm" type name and it gives some insight to the game.

[Wander]

I think 'Underground Wars' is definitely one of the best names mentioned here. Asrack is right that a game name doesn't have to be that short. As long people will remember and the abbreviation isn't the same as another very popular game (e.g. WoW or UT), it could do all right. 'UW' doesn't ring any other bells with me than just 'United Warriors', so unless i'm missing something major (quite possible), it would be no problem.

But even though i really like 'Underground Wars', i do still think 'Blastiny: Liero Evolution' is better.
(Also better than 'Underground Wars: Liero Evolution')

[SorZ]

As I said before, I like Liero Evolution the most.
I would put Liero Evolution as main title of the game..
But it works as 'slogan' too..

[Raziel]

(Also better than 'Underground Wars: Liero Evolution')

UWLE... uwle.. uwle... make it EVIL and Im in.

[DarkCharlie]

(Also better than 'Underground Wars: Liero Evolution')

UWLE... uwle.. uwle... make it EVIL and Im in.

How about EWUL? Evolution Wars: Underground Liero 

I like the Underground Wars name as well, you are right that the length isn't that important here. I also thought of shortening it to Underwars but that doesn't sound that well and I am sure some perverts out there will say that it's somehow connected to pr0n 
I only would leave the Liero Evolution subtitle, it quite doesn't fit the main name IMO (just a subjective feeling though).

[SorZ]

(Also better than 'Underground Wars: Liero Evolution')

UWLE... uwle.. uwle... make it EVIL and Im in.

How about EWUL? Evolution Wars: Underground Liero 

I like the Underground Wars name as well, you are right that the length isn't that important here. I also thought of shortening it to Underwars but that doesn't sound that well and I am sure some perverts out there will say that it's somehow connected to pr0n 
I only would leave the Liero Evolution subtitle, it quite doesn't fit the main name IMO (just a subjective feeling though).

Perhaps, Liero Wars: Evolution?

[Hatten]

+1 for blastiny, +/- 0 for UW and -1 for anything SorZ have said, not to be mean or anything, but we agreed on leaving out Liero for anything else than the subtitle, almost.
I'm also with DC, LE doesn't fit to UW, partly that, and partly that i don't like the name, doesn't make it a very attractive name in my opinion?

[Rakkula]

I don't get it why you have to add Evolution to every name. Frankly, I don't get the point of it at all. It just sound ridiculous to have the word 'evolution' in a game that has nothing to do with evolution...

Underground Wars sounds okay to me though (only in comparison to other name suggestions). And to SorZ's suggestion: Liero Wars is okay but that evolution part pisses me off again. Why not simply Liero Wars without the 'Evolution'?

[albert]

I don't like "Underground Wars" that much but I guess it's just my personal taste. It's somehow too simple minded. I have that association of "underground" with this gangsta crap, perhaps that is why I dislike it. In general I have a negative association of underground (in an abstract sense, like unsocial people and illegal markets). Or was it always intended to be just the direct sense, like underground = under the ground? If I think of that sense, I began to feel more comfortable with the name, thus I still have also the other sense in mind. Perhaps another word for underground which makes it more clear that just under the ground is meant?

"Liero Evolution" was intended to say that this game is the evolution of Liero - which make sense. Evolution refers to the development progress here. I like it as a subtitle as it still keeps the reference to the game Liero and even describes the development progress.

[Code]

ye, i don't like underground wars either... "wars" is used to much in other /games/movies/etc. (star wars, mob wars, mafia wars, tribal wars, halo wars, gears of war, raft wars, phage wars etc..ect..ect.....)
Liero evolution as a subtitle is good IMO. The game would have another name, but the original game woun't be forgotten. =)

[Ruki]

Can you at least make some meaningful suggestions? Lets call it Urban Generation Fractal :S You are twisting the name selection already and bringing up every random association you can get. Can somebody even tell me what do you/we want? It seems like everybody wants something else. I don't like this, this is not good, I want that and I want this. I like Asrack's way of thinking, he put effort into it. Though, I don't like the name. Underground is used in too many things involved involved with games already, same with wars. But follow his example and not just feed us with pile of shit. Lets call it Worm Realm or Land of Worms or World of Wormcraft or Hardcore Lagiero or RIPero Ospstreme or Ocean's 14...

Why using some subtitles and spreading it to 10 words, why not keeping it simple like Hirudo/Liero was/is?

Also close this thread as well after it becomes Odyssey and open a new one, that will lead us towards the end.

[albert]

We (the devs) are developing OLX. OLX itself is evolving.

[Spoon]

Need to start narrowing it down, the suggestions currently there are good enough have have enough support in their own rights to be viable names. Leaving it open encourages more names to be thrown around and you don't want to be spending your time debating half baked suggestions when you could be zeroing in on and fine tuning a suitable name that's already there.

[Gaston]

Yes. Why don't the mod take the list, and the suggestions from here, and come up with a list of 5-10 names that they'd accept as the name of the game?

EDIT: "Mod"? I meant developers. Excuse my crappy English >.<

[Spoon]

Don't let this stuff die out now you finally get a decent thread on it.

[NightShade]

World of Wormcraft.... I saw Rukis post and that actually is the best suggestion I have seen in this entire thread xP It would be good imo if it wasn't for Warcraft like allready got this WoW title so It would just be confusing and what not.

Albert said: We (the devs) are developing OLX. OLX itself is evolving.

Evolving... I like that word... But it makes me think of this question; what is it evolving into?

Are we trying to evolve to the same stage as perhaps TeeWorlds? (WITHOUT THE DAMN MOUSE AIM!!!!) (a)

Liero Evolution is the best suggestion in my opinion. ''LEVO'' for short....

This game will always evolve. At least as long as we got the developers.

[albert]

Albert said: We (the devs) are developing OLX. OLX itself is evolving.

Evolving... I like that word... But it makes me think of this question; what is it evolving into?

Are we trying to evolve to the same stage as perhaps TeeWorlds? (WITHOUT THE DAMN MOUSE AIM!!!!) (a)

Liero Evolution is the best suggestion in my opinion. ''LEVO'' for short....

This game will always evolve. At least as long as we got the developers.

We are always open for suggestions. I have now idea where we are evolving to. That is often the case, also in nature. You make modifications here and there, add some new features, extend already existing features, get rid of (or hide) bad features and slowly the game is getting better and better.

There is already another thread about the general direction of development:
http://lxalliance.net/forum/index.php/topic,12395.0.html

If you want to say something in what direction the development should lead us, let's discuss it there. We are very open for any input.

For example, what do you mean by same stage as TeeWorlds? From amount of stability and features, I would say we have the better code base. I even don't know any feature in TeeWorlds which is not there in OLX (current SVN) - but I don't know TeeWorlds that good.

If you have ideas about some new concrete features, fill in a feature request here:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?group_id=180059&atid=891651

[Quaqa]

Albert said: We (the devs) are developing OLX. OLX itself is evolving.

Evolving... I like that word... But it makes me think of this question; what is it evolving into?

Are we trying to evolve to the same stage as perhaps TeeWorlds? (WITHOUT THE DAMN MOUSE AIM!!!!) (a)

Liero Evolution is the best suggestion in my opinion. ''LEVO'' for short....

This game will always evolve. At least as long as we got the developers.

We are always open for suggestions. I have now idea where we are evolving to. That is often the case, also in nature. You make modifications here and there, add some new features, extend already existing features, get rid of (or hide) bad features and slowly the game is getting better and better.

There is already another thread about the general direction of development:
http://lxalliance.net/forum/index.php/topic,12395.0.html

If you want to say something in what direction the development should lead us, let's discuss it there. We are very open for any input.

For example, what do you mean by same stage as TeeWorlds? From amount of stability and features, I would say we have the better code base. I even don't know any feature in TeeWorlds which is not there in OLX (current SVN) - but I don't know TeeWorlds that good.

If you have ideas about some new concrete features, fill in a feature request here:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker2/?group_id=180059&atid=891651

Teeworlds have one feature that I dont think olx have (sorry if it has, I havnt tested beta9^^) and that is that you can search for a player and se if he/she is online and if so in what game the person is in. I at least think thats a pretty handy feature to have

[joni]

LEVO name sucks, just think about someone asks what are you doing - you answer: I am playing LEVO. 

I would greatly agree on keeping the old name OpenLieroX it stands all what this game is about open source version of LieroX. Isn't it handy?
And this game is every day falling deeper and deeper to the death, it already has another leg in the grave. And still, half of the players would be playing on older lx/olx versions so they wouldn't play this new generation game, whatever it's going to be called. And if we need to pick one name from the huge list of names I would pick Underground Wars. Btw, why should forum web-address change? It represents the whole lx community, it isn't olxalliance.

[Wander]

Devs, do you really need someone to quote the entire second post (plus all new suggestions) over and over again, or are you gonna cut some options already? I'm quite sure that if you read through it you're gonna end up with max 10% of those suggestions that would have any chance at all, and probably only a few that would be acceptable to all of you. Go ahead and start scrathing already!!! How else are we gonna know what suits your taste?? And if we don't know even that, how do you expect anyone to come up with anything usefull??
(Please don't say the devs's tastes aren't decisive, that would just be weird)

[NightShade]

For example, what do you mean by same stage as TeeWorlds? From amount of stability and features, I would say we have the better code base. I even don't know any feature in TeeWorlds which is not there in OLX (current SVN) - but I don't know TeeWorlds that good.

See, I didn't know that we had a better code base. Anywho, I was just making my statement if the name of the game would change... cause that is what this thread is for right...

LEVO name sucks, just think about someone asks what are you doing - you answer: I am playing LEVO. 

I don't see any wrong with it Cause either way OLX or LEVO or whatever the name will be.. people will not understand your shortenings either way

[pelya]

Sooooo, let's decide on something, preferably on Liero Evolution

[Gaston]

The list is there in the second post. Just pick out the names that would be acceptable, and we can take the discussion of what to decide. e can't do that with 50+ names...

[Spoon]

Pick out your chaps who are going to have veto rights. Community leaders/devs/what-whoever. Get together and start narrowing it down. No use Gaston and I constantly saying 'yeah guys start narrowing it down, strike while the iron's hot [well.. lukewarm by now ]' if you don't do it. Make a new thread only you guys can see, join IRC together, vent, whatever. Duke it out and get the bad ones (there are plenty ) crossed off.

[pelya]

*looking at the first post* mmm, let's narow it down then.
My own list of acceptable names:

Liero, if we'll get permission from Joosa Riekkinen (we haven't tried yet)
Blastiny
Liero Evolution

As for the new name, my top three:
1. LieroX*
2. Liero Evolution
3. Blastiny

...all the others suck (j/ks).
I personally think the name should relate to Liero somehow, either by having
it in the name or through some relevant translation... but that is just me.

*Has anybody tried getting in touch with JasonB?
I somehow doubt he will come back to the Liero scene, maybe he would be
willing to hand over the LieroX name to the project seeing as its come quite
far over the years.

--
Regards, Rhys Koedijk

[Hatten]

Just a quick question, who is Rhys Koedijk?

[pelya]

Just a quick question, who is Rhys Koedijk?

The author of Liero Mod Scripter tool, also he was involved into LieroX development in some way back then.

[albert]

Just a quick question, who is Rhys Koedijk?

And the developer of LXE: http://lxalliance.net/LXRS/index.php?page=development

Edit: Some notes to LXE: I am note sure if Rhys has said that explicitly but he stated once more or less clear that he wont work very much (or at all) on LXE anymore. He also said that if he once has some time to play again with Liero, he would like to help the development on OLX. He also has given us the LXE source code (whereby OLX and LXE is too different to take any usage of LXE code).

[Ruki]

Just a quick question, who is Rhys Koedijk?

He is known under the nickname of Rye. Projects: LMS, LXE.

[RuNyoufool]

It's impossible to get a general idea of what the devs want because they don't know it themselves! They contribute to LX out of different (personal) interests and the focus is not really on making it a great game for the users. It's just heading where it's heading, and once someone gets an idea for something it's done right away (or not). So having a constructive discussion about mostly everything is hardly possible because of the huge difference in perspective. And I don't think that the developers talk much about these subjects together.

I don't want to sound too negative but I just don't see why we're putting so much effort in this anymore. Sure there is always some hope that a longterm vision about the future of the game will be developed, but I've tried to get it on the agenda several times and there is just no interest.. For me this naming discussion was the last effort.

I don't really blame anyone. People code for fun and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just how it is.

[albert]

It's impossible to get a general idea of what the devs want because they don't know it themselves! They contribute to LX out of different (personal) interests and the focus is not really on making it a great game for the users. It's just heading where it's heading, and once someone gets an idea for something it's done right away (or not). So having a constructive discussion about mostly everything is hardly possible because of the huge difference in perspective. And I don't think that the developers talk much about these subjects together.

I don't want to sound too negative but I just don't see why we're putting so much effort in this anymore. Sure there is always some hope that a longterm vision about the future of the game will be developed, but I've tried to get it on the agenda several times and there is just no interest.. For me this naming discussion was the last effort.

I don't really blame anyone. People code for fun and there's nothing wrong with that. It's just how it is.

It's just that almost everything here on this list is more important right now than the descision about the name change:
https://sourceforge.net/tracker/?group_id=180059&atid=891648

And in addition to all this comes the problem that all of us devs are very busy with other stuff right now outside OLX. I will perhaps have some more time again in 2-3 weeks or so, not sure. And also not sure about the other devs. And then, all the bugs are really the most important topics where we should work on and spent our time, not this name discusion. As said, the name change will anyway not be done before the Beta9 release.

[Raziel]

What? No time.. for what? Are you going to write a little-country-size piece of code that will do the "R.E.N.A.M.E." function for you, and due to its complex structure it will require whole mountains amount of time? Leaving insulting your inteligence aside, that's the most moronic excuse ever. This is matter of "I like it, I like it not", so it DOES NOT REQUIRE ANY AMOUNT OF TIME, a few minutes of chat with everyone involved and summing it up.

I fully agree with Run here, you just have no idea what you want.

[DarkCharlie]

Not everybody can choose the best three from such a long list in minutes. For example I can't.

I guess most of you just misunderstand the purpose of this (these) thread(s). They are here just to sum up the ideas. There's NO HURRY with the name change. Nothing special is planned in the upcoming months, there's PLENTY of time for the decision. If you do not have anthing to contribute, just don't spam this thread. Telling "you should decide because I am bored and wanna get some reason to flame" isn't really helpful. Either add a new (senseful) entry to the name list or choose another thread to post in.

[Feliz Lombriz]

(I'm assuming it's safe to post here with out running the risk of bumping as it's the official topic for this discussion and no conclusion has been reached.)

Some more suggestions:

Translations of worm/earthworm that sound nice:
Glistica – Croatian
Žížala - Czech
Orm – Danish
Stumper – Dutch
Mato – Finnish for earthworm, Spanish for “I kill” - Could also be a nice acronym of some sort

I really only like Glistica out of all of those, but some of the others would be fine.

English ideas:
Dirt War/s
GroundWar/s
Underground
Spandex
Belowground
Gunworms


Of the names already mentioned I probably like Wormage best, actually. It reminds me of The Full Wormage, a cheat/feature for Team 17's Worms Armageddon.

[pelya]

[Feliz Lombriz]

Yeah, Orm is kinda fun to say. As far as I can tell mato is just a synonym for Liero. They mean the same thing. English only has one word for earthworm but others have two or more. In Spanish, for example, gusanos and lombriz are both used.

BTW epic gravedig

You're welcome. Hey, there's a good name! Epic Gravedig: Liero Evolved.  Or not.

[SorZ]

Orm is snake in Swedish btw..

[BakTer]

oh i just flashed an idea!

wormduds

[Hugglebunny]

Orm is snake in Swedish btw..

its a word for snake in norwegian to ^^

[crzylieroguy]

Bloody Sw0rmage [BS]

or Blood Sw0rms: Dirt Wars

or Underground Sworm Wars, the website would be like USW .net
(kinda like blood worms)
it tells people your playing a worm like game, swarm kinda sounds like mutliplayer online. And its pretty bloody and fun.
Just need like the dirt part but worm is prtty much dirt so ppl would get the point
And its like Ownage, Wormage.


is a pretty good name

[AnubisBlessing]

With the risk of arriving too late to the party, I'd like to suggest

Liero: Wormageddon
LieroX: Wormageddon

or something similar. Brutal sounding, yet something everyone can 'relate to' since it's portmanteau of two common words. May bring some thoughts to Worms Armageddon but it's easy enough, pretty catchy and the domain is available ;>