Topic: Rename OpenLieroX Suggestions Thread *READ THE TWO FIRST POSTS* (Read 2425 times)

pelya · « **on:** January 16, 2009, 02:51:42 pm »

Hey there,

We are thinking about a new name for OpenLieroX, esp. a name which is good for people who have never heard about Liero. This old name has some drawbacks: "Liero" is an unknown word for most people so they have no idea about it. And the "X" just makes it worse.

This rename will probably be done somewhen between the release of Beta9 and the next release after that. So it's probably some months until then.

This is what we would like to have (not 100% fixed; if you found an exception which is perfect but doesn't meet one of the requirements, it's perhaps also ok):

- The new name should be short and easily pronounceable.
- It should be related to the game in an obvious way.
- It should sound either funny, cool or just like something attractive.
- Everybody should get some impression by the name, thus preferable an English name.

Some others, more practical points:
- Doesn't give a huge pile of Google results. Most importantly not something which will always be higher than our game.
[ - Domain names available. This is probably not that much an issue as we could fallback to put "-game.org" in the end or something. ]

Some other questions which are not really that sure yet:

- Should the name "Liero" be included or not. It has the drawback of being a word that nobody understands. But it has a very strong meaning because it says about the history of the game. In the end, this question will probably be just decided by the name itself. We are not excluding all names containing "Liero". (pelya votes for keeping it, 'cause it has epic history, other devs comment plz)

- Should we have a subtitle. Most people liked the idea but of course it's not a must. You also have to take into account that the name should also be ok if you leave the subtitle away.

- How brutal should the name be. Or better, where is the limit. If we want to see OLX on a CD of a game magazine, some of the more brutal names will probably make that impossible. So please cut out all parasitic worm names, like Ascaris.

- Should a worm still be the main character? Should we have a main character at all? (This is not a question about how many skins we have which are all much different from that - but more if we would like to have some main character.) If not, what should our new logo look like? Our game symbol? So probably, to avoid all this new problems, we will just stay with worms (or similar).

See the second post for suggestions and developers feedback

Original Thread:

http://lxalliance.net/forum/index.php/topic,12331.0.html (CLOSED)

Gaston · « **Reply #1 on:** May 30, 2009, 04:28:09 pm »

Here is the new thread. Discuss from here on, and read the first post before you reply!

IMPORTANT: If you want to make a suggestion, read through the list below first!

Most suggestions from old thread plus notes from devs:

Amor Vermium
Aniballistic
Ascaris - parasitic worm, but we still not rejected that name

Babyloonya
BattleCry
Blastiny - pelya's favorite, okay for Run, too serious for DC but acceptable, other devs undecided
Bloedzuiger

Calacca
Carnage 2D
Creeps

Earthworm Carnage - too long for DC, others undecided

Glista - parasitic worm, but we still not rejected that name
Ground Shooters
Guerrilla - sounds like gorilla for DC, others undecided
Guerilla Warfare - sounds like gorilla for DC, others undecided
Guns'n'Worms - pelya, DC and albert don't like it

Helminthes
Hirudo - Devs will most liekely not use this
Hirudo Battlefield
Hirudo: Liero Evolution
HirudoX
Holez - Devs will most liekely not use this

Insects online - too long for DC, albert: I never saw insects (=flies, spiders, bees and such) in OLX, others undecided

Karyp

Liero Advanced
Liero BattleCry
Liero Battlefield - too long for DC, too less creative for albert, others undecided
Liero Combat
Liero Evolution - all devs agree on that to be subtitle, like XXX: Liero Evolution. Could become the main title.
Liero Devolution
Liero II
Liero Infinity
Liero Online
Liero Reborn
Liero Ressurection - Liero never actually died, did it?

, too long for albert
Liero Worlds - Stolen from TeeWorlds, DC doesn't like stealing (albert: the sheme * Worlds is also not invented by TeeWorlds
Liero X - Devs will most liekely not use this
Liero: Combat Evolved
Lierogeddon
LieroPiuha - Devs will most liekely not use this
LieroZero
LXM

Pixel Wars

Swarm
Swarm Out
Sworm
Swormed - too simple for pelya and DC, okay for Run

Tiny Creatures
Tiny World
Total Chaos

Underground Wars

Wormage
Wormania - inferior to Swormed
Wormface - inferior to Swormed
Wormfare
Wormiors - inferior to Swormed
Wormish - inferior to Swormed
Wormix
Wormod - inferior to Swormed
Wormstiny
Wyrm - inferior to Swormed, looks like a typo for albert

Sakmongkol · « **Reply #2 on:** May 31, 2009, 02:26:49 am »

Well at least this looks somewhat better than the previous thread. You just might be getting somewhere here. =)

Though, there is this one point which I find a little stupid, if not totally wrong:

Quote from: pelya on January 16, 2009, 02:51:42 pm

- How brutal should the name be. Or better, where is the limit. If we want to see OLX on a CD of a game magazine, some of the more brutal names will probably make that impossible. So please cut out all parasitic worm names, like Ascaris.

Really, what does 'brutality' have to do with this? I would understand if you said you found parasitic worms disgusting or something, but not brutal. Furthermore, I highly doubt naming the game Ascaris would prevent it from getting onto such a CD. Seriously, for most people Ascaris would be just a word, it doesn't have to mean anything for them. They might go and find out the meaning later, just out of curiosity, but I would imagine if they initially found the name somewhat cool and exotic, they would first see what the game is like and possibly try it out. If, after that, they actually like the game, finding out the name's meaning would be very unlikely to make them stop playing it.

I would also like to see a clear decision about whether the word Liero should be included or not. But that's just me.

All in all, I think we should keep in mind that the name will indeed be 'just a name'. If the game itself is good, people will play it even if it has a horrible name. The biggest challenge will be to get people to download the game and try it out, and to achieve this you will have to do a lot more advertising than just coming up with a good name. Also I will personally promise that I won't stop playing the game if you rename it to something stupid.

Gaston's list should be in alphabetical order!

Joonazz · « **Reply #3 on:** May 31, 2009, 11:39:04 am »

Liero Evolution could be a pretty nice name. Taking the Liero-word off would be a pity but thats only my opinion and also an opinion coming from a finnish person. Players come from all over the world and Liero doesn't mean anything to them but still it's the original game and I'd find it strange to see a whole different name.

Hugglebunny · « **Reply #4 on:** May 31, 2009, 12:24:17 pm »

Quote from: Joonazz on May 31, 2009, 11:39:04 am

Liero Evolution could be a pretty nice name. Taking the Liero-word off would be a pity but thats only my opinion and also an opinion coming from a finnish person. Players come from all over the world and Liero doesn't mean anything to them but still it's the original game and I'd find it strange to see a whole different name.

For once i gotta say that is pretty much what i think atm..
Liero evolution is the far best option from my point of view. Atleast for now.

Perkele · « **Reply #5 on:** May 31, 2009, 12:51:49 pm »

AHAHAHA INSECTS ONLINE; DUUUDES I ROFLED

Well Liero Evolution would be the best I think so too.

albert · « **Reply #6 on:** May 31, 2009, 02:12:56 pm »

Quote

Really, what does 'brutality' have to do with this? I would understand if you said you found parasitic worms disgusting or something, but not brutal. Furthermore, I highly doubt naming the game Ascaris would prevent it from getting onto such a CD. Seriously, for most people Ascaris would be just a word, it doesn't have to mean anything for them. They might go and find out the meaning later, just out of curiosity, but I would imagine if they initially found the name somewhat cool and exotic, they would first see what the game is like and possibly try it out. If, after that, they actually like the game, finding out the name's meaning would be very unlikely to make them stop playing it.

I mainly had names like "Carnage" in mind while writing this. Perhaps even more extreme names (cannot think of examples right now but I guess there are more extreme names). I never have seen a game with such extreme name in a PC magazine. And they probably just wont report about it if it has such a name, no matter if it is actually not that brutal (it doesn't look good for them).

Also, such names would also be a bit too brutal for my personal taste. At least the brutality is not the think which should be pointed out (and even overstated) in its name. But that's just my opinion.

Benn0 · « **Reply #7 on:** May 31, 2009, 02:40:43 pm »

Who on earth are you trying to market this game to. Did you miss the point that worms are reduced to pieces in a cloud of blood? OLX would probably get a PGEI rating of 12+. Carnage being brutal is the last most and invisible reason what you shouldn't name OLX, or any game for that matter.

I wonder how names of parasites are so incredibly disgusting. There's 4 films named "Alien" not to mention these small bloodsuckers that feed on you in the summer. Or perhaps your mothers slapped you whenever you said "mosquito".

I've wondered were all these comments on how Liero is the original game, it's not. Liero is merely the most known MoleZ clone.

'KJack.mp3 · « **Reply #8 on:** May 31, 2009, 03:39:45 pm »

Quote from: Benn0 on May 31, 2009, 02:40:43 pm

Who on earth are you trying to market this game to. Did you miss the point that worms are reduced to pieces in a cloud of blood? OLX would probably get a PGEI rating of 12+. Carnage being brutal is the last most and invisible reason what you shouldn't name OLX, or any game for that matter.

I wonder how names of parasites are so incredibly disgusting. There's 4 films named "Alien" not to mention these small bloodsuckers that feed on you in the summer. Or perhaps your mothers slapped you whenever you said "mosquito".

I've wondered were all these comments on how Liero is the original game, it's not. Liero is merely the most known MoleZ clone.

ye exactly ^^

Whats that smeared on the walls? What is that flying in the air?

"
carnage
One entry found.

Function:
noun
Etymology:
French, from Medieval Latin carnaticum tribute consisting of animals or meat, from Latin carn-, caro
Date:
1614

1 : the flesh of slain animals or men
2 : great and usually bloody slaughter or injury (as in battle)
"

Joonazz · « **Reply #9 on:** May 31, 2009, 03:46:40 pm »

Quote from: Benn0 on May 31, 2009, 02:40:43 pm

Who on earth are you trying to market this game to. Did you miss the point that worms are reduced to pieces in a cloud of blood? OLX would probably get a PGEI rating of 12+. Carnage being brutal is the last most and invisible reason what you shouldn't name OLX, or any game for that matter.

I wonder how names of parasites are so incredibly disgusting. There's 4 films named "Alien" not to mention these small bloodsuckers that feed on you in the summer. Or perhaps your mothers slapped you whenever you said "mosquito".

I've wondered were all these comments on how Liero is the original game, it's not. Liero is merely the most known MoleZ clone.

Liero is the original name of this particular game (or Liero extreme), clone or not.

Gaston · « **Reply #10 on:** May 31, 2009, 03:50:16 pm »

Quote from: Joonazz on May 31, 2009, 03:46:40 pm

Liero is the original name of this particular game (or Liero extreme), clone or not.

Actually not.

LieroX is a clone of Liero which is a clone of MoleZ. LieroX is the "original" to OLX, Liero is not.

Spoon · « **Reply #11 on:** June 01, 2009, 01:40:22 am »

Good thread.

Guerrilla - ofcourse it sounds like Gorilla, that is how it's pronounced. Nearly. Point is it's not spelt similarly and has a world-wide known, accepted meaning. People don't confuse the words

But still I can see why it's not an ideal name for a game.

Liero is an important word because for those who DO know what it means, they will understand. For those who don't, they will look to context, surrounding descriptions etc. and then hopefully proceed. Few will be those who ignore based on the name alone. And in that case, any name will have the same situations - those who understand and those who don't. At least if you go with liero, we greatly increase the chance of having people who understand what the game is, and what they can expect from it. Naming it outside of Liero will require much time, trying to associate the new name with the gameplay that already has a name.

I still think some of you have this idea of a utopic name which will describe the game, sound cool, magically generate hits on google for people looking for anything as wide as 'game', and thus magically generate new users. I think you set your goals far too high and realise that a name, once chosen, usually sounds 'right' once it's accepted and picked. If you guys all said 'Right, let's call it Wormage' and everywhere, everyone started naming it that and using it in sentences, people would forget quibbles of whether they liked it.. they just accept it. Sure some would say they disliked it, but it would sound 'right' because it is right, once you choose to use a name.

Anywho. Also, Carnage being too 'brutal' a name is silly I think. Perhaps in some countries, but in England where regularly bought magazines are PC Gamer, PC Format etc. Those mags would have no quarrel covering something with 'Carnage' in the name. Alas Carnage is the all encompassing description of the game. The game is simple, creative, 2d brutality, and there is no way around that. 2d and 'cute' doesn't change the fact you got blood squirting up the walls

Those mags cover games called Hitman, Manhunt and Stalker. All titles your mother wouldn't let you play but they cover them all the same.

Still, this thread has much better potential. I'd start narrowing it down and taking names off the list. Strikeout if devs won't use them, that includes ones which as simply disliked enough to say ideally, you don't want to use them. Strikeout the plain crap ones too. :p

Ahmed · « **Reply #12 on:** June 01, 2009, 01:52:44 am »

Onslaught - The Liero Evolution

Simple enough, Onslaught means attack. LieroX was basically attacking. There is a name that is straight to the point. I like.

Personally I still believe the main name (not the subtitle) should not be worm related, how many people do you think will search worms on google or any search engine. The name should give a description of the game not some vague word that you have to leave to your imagination to decipher for example Gaston's list has "Liero Advanced", do we have advanced species of worms? No. Really most skins aren't even worms, a ninja taro ain't a worm it is a CHARACTER. Sure there are worms but when you have over 1000 skins (something I doubt any other game has) then you shouldn't stick to a name that won't show the variety available.

Hatten · « **Reply #13 on:** June 01, 2009, 08:07:55 am »

I think the deal with google isn't that people will google for "fun game" and find us, rather that they hear of hirudo/whatever google for it and can find the game in one of the higher posts. Although i often check wikipedia rather than google nowadays.

pelya · « **Reply #14 on:** June 01, 2009, 01:48:34 pm »

Quote from: Legendkiller on June 01, 2009, 01:52:44 am

Onslaught - The Liero Evolution

Simple enough, Onslaught means attack. LieroX was basically attacking. There is a name that is straight to the point. I like.

Haha, inside the game it's quite the opposite, better let's name it Camprun - Liero Evolution

I also don't like if the name will contain "worm" inside, we already have word Liero which means "worm", and it's better than Worm in English 'cause it links us to that DOS game from year 1999, for the ones who played it before.

Captain Nack Sparrow · « **Reply #15 on:** June 01, 2009, 01:51:47 pm »

Quote from: pelya on June 01, 2009, 01:48:34 pm

Quote from: Legendkiller on June 01, 2009, 01:52:44 am
Onslaught - The Liero Evolution

Simple enough, Onslaught means attack. LieroX was basically attacking. There is a name that is straight to the point. I like.

Haha, inside the game it's quite the opposite, better let's name it Camprun - Liero Evolution

I also don't like if the name will contain "worm" inside, we already have word Liero which means "worm", and it's better than Worm in English 'cause it links us to that DOS game from year 1999, for the ones who played it before.

Depends on who you are playing against or with

How about making the name shorter or something?
Lierolution, or Liero Revolution - The Che Guevara edition.

Gaston · « **Reply #16 on:** June 01, 2009, 02:17:59 pm »

Personally I think there is no reason to keep "Liero" in the name. Perhaps keep it in a subtitle so people know what game it is, then in a newer version remove the subtitle, when people have gotten used to the maintitle.

Wander · « **Reply #17 on:** June 02, 2009, 12:55:28 am »

Nah i think subtitle 'Liero Evolution' is perfect. We shouldn't want Liero in the main title (unless something perfect comes up, which won't happen), but we do want to be findable for people who are specifically looking for it. And the fact that the word Liero means something to us isn't that bad either. There's more people like us out there

The name "Liero: Combat Evolved" is also on the list. I'm not sure, but i don't think this was an actual suggestion. I think it was meant to point out how people talk about a game with a subtitle. There is a game called "Halo: Combat Evolved", but i've never heard anyone referring to it as HCE. Many people don't even know Halo has a subtitle anyway.

I also think Spoon is very right: Narrow things down! Start with crossing the 90% crap names out, then start crossing out the other 10% until you have one name left. In the meantime, only allow a new entry if you're convinced it's better than the average name that's left on the list.

Personally, i still think the best name we have is "Blastiny: Liero Evolution". Forget about the word Blastiny ending with 'tiny', this is just the coïncidence through which we came to the name. Think about the word as a whole!
The name is new to anyone (at least to Google it is), so nobody will confuse it with anything else. People will only have what it sounds like, and (next to a short description ofcourse) it sounds like a damn funny game, in which you're destined to find some serious BLASTING!

Asrack · « **Reply #18 on:** June 02, 2009, 01:37:37 am »

Why not call in Underground Wars.

The name has 3 parts. One, it takes advantage of the levels take place with dirt in it. underground implies that the game has something to do with dirt.

We also are a small community, the term underground can also be used with that.

Another large part of the game is clan wars.

So in a sense the name is catchy, the name is free, and it will come up with hits on the term "underground".

DarkCharlie · « **Reply #19 on:** June 02, 2009, 03:03:14 am »

Quote from: Asrack on June 02, 2009, 01:37:37 am

Why not call in Underground Wars.

The name has 3 parts. One, it takes advantage of the levels take place with dirt in it. underground implies that the game has something to do with dirt.

We also are a small community, the term underground can also be used with that.

Another large part of the game is clan wars.

So in a sense the name is catchy, the name is free, and it will come up with hits on the term "underground".

I like your argumentation, even the name sounds nice to me, but it's damn long. Imagine yourself typing www.undergroundwarsalliance.net in the browser

Also the logo in game would take too much space.

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Author Topic: Rename OpenLieroX Suggestions Thread *READ THE TWO FIRST POSTS* (Read 2425 times)

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